Shoot to wound mentality

[Charla]

A word to the wise; next time speak when spoken to, but then again if you did that you wouldn't be lolPriran I suppose.

It also wouldn't be BG if people didn't post in threads they weren't already arguing in. In fact, it wouldn't be much of a forum in the first place if you think about it...

[Mizango]

A word to the wise; next time speak when spoken to, but then again if you did that you wouldn't be lolPriran I suppose.

It also wouldn't be BG if people didn't post in threads they weren't already arguing in. In fact, it wouldn't be much of a forum in the first place if you think about it...

You're right, but goddamn lol. Its been a long ass week and I am really not in mood to deal with these motherfucking fuck nuts today

[Priran]

lolPriran, always the cantankerous ass nugget that is willing to interject himself into any conversation in which he was not a part of. My comments were not directed to the masses, it was directed to a specific individual. Get the fuck off of my cock and find another forum to troll.

My apologies if my personal situation in regards to this specific topic at hand affected your livelihood and personal wellbeing in some form or fashion. A word to the wise; next time speak when spoken to, but then again if you did that you wouldn't be lolPriran I suppose.

lolMizango, some person I've no recollection of ever responding to previously but whose cock I apparently seem to have lodged myself upon.

It's funny that you're trying to call what I'm doing trolling when you run headlong into a debate yelling obscenities at no one in particular, acting indignant when someone calls your bullshit, and spouting off some sob story about your parents getting themselves shot like it's pointless-argument-proof armor.

It's also cool that you managed to sneak "lolPriran" into your post twice, I wasn't quite sure you were an immature, unfunny sack of cocks the first time.

[Mizango]

Now you truly do know me, lol congratulations!

[Charla]

Apparently that's two of us that have had a long week.

[Correction]

Everyone who changed to daylight savings time lost an hour during their weekend. That's enough to make the week seem interminable as early as Tuesday.

[Mizango]

Everyone who changed to daylight savings time lost an hour during their weekend. That's enough to make the week seem interminable as early as Tuesday.

Yeah no kidding. It seems like 4 consecutive Mondays tbh.



Anyway..... back to your regularly schedule programming

[jmc]

As someone in law enforcement....i'm gonna touch this subject lightly, just lightly.

From personal things that have happened to me on the job, i'm just going to go out on a limb and say none of you have ever actually had a firearm pulled on you? "Intent to wound" just doesnt work..... someone pulls a gun on me, I hit anywhere I can before he/she can do the same to myself. Through alot of practice/training my accuracy rating is very high and out of the few times deadly force has been used suspect has been shot in the chest/stomach everytime except once (hit his hand, holding the weapon).

With specialized units, like lets say....... oh mine, Entry Team. We go through accuracy training around the clock, does that mean we can hit a hand or kneecap on a split second decision? Very likely..... however, if we miss we are getting shot. Not worth the risk.


Also for those that believe its so simple to clean up the streets of firearms, feel free to contact the FBI/ATF with your plans on how to rid/ban firearms. They are always looking for ideas, since none so far have worked.

[Khamsin]

Well, assuming you are somebody who is for allowing all US citizens to be allowed firearms for self defense, aren't there ever cases where people pull guns without the intent to shoot, but rather to show that you are not defenseless?

Sure, when you're actually protecting yourself/family against a strange man in your house or dark alleyway. Not against a cop. You never pull a gun on a cop, whether or not you intend to actually shoot the cop. What exactly are you defending yourself against when you pull a gun on a cop? Justice? If you're really innocent, the smart thing to do is NOT pull a gun on the cop and let your lawyer take care of it. Or do it the Hollywood way, and escape and try to find the real culprit while on the run.

You act like people need to protect themselves from the police just as much as from their fellow man.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Well, assuming you are somebody who is for allowing all US citizens to be allowed firearms for self defense, aren't there ever cases where people pull guns without the intent to shoot, but rather to show that you are not defenseless?

Of course, but were not talking about civilian vs. civilian here. Were talking about civilian vs. cop. And I can't think of a situation where someone pulls a gun on a cop, the cop kills them, and then deserves 15 years in jail.

I don't think the 15 years is fair, actually. I think maybe 2 + fired is good. Because it's a bad thing that was done, but not entirely unprovoked.

Where's the original thread that spawned this unique derail? Is there some news background I'm missing here? I can't think of a single scenario where "guy pulls out a gun in front of a cop, cop shoots and kills guy" should ever land the cop in jail or make him lose his job.

Here it is:

*Warning* NSFL- Not Safe For Liberals (the site, not the article)

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... bling.html

[Howard Roark]

You act like people need to protect themselves from the police just as much as from their fellow man.

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*breathe*

oh my...

[layoneil]

I'm talking about legality, I'm talking about human response. People getting killed for stealing a TV is bullshit.

are cops authorized to pull their gun when chasing someone running down the street with a TV?

if you drop the TV and pull out a gun, then you deserve to be shot, if you bring a gun to steal someone's TV, then you deserve to be shot.

what was the point of bringing the gun to steal a TV?

[Blackwidow]

This is not a "new" posting, as it was sent via PM to Shuemue about this discussion in the prior thread. So, I offer you this in regard to shoot to wound:

This is an idea that is often miscontrued by the general public. There is no training in Law Enforcement that trains their officers to "shoot to wound." There is just no such thing. There is the phrase "shoot to kill," or more politically astute would be the training phrase of "shoot to cease the action." What that entails is simply that an officer continue firing until there is no more threat. If that means that the person is simply wounded rather than killed, then all the better. However, that is rarely the case. Most departments even ingrain and specifically teach the philosophy (to include federal and local state police agencies) of a "failure drill." What this means is that if after two expelled rounds in the center of mass area of the human body the action does not cease, then a single round is then placed in the area between the bridge of the nose and the eyes (to destroy connectivity between the brain and the rest of the nervous system).
If it were a viable option for the officer to shoot to wound, then a more suitable "less than lethal" alternative could have been deployed. So, what it boils down to is that if an officer deploys and utilizes their firearm in any given situation, then it is being used in the capacity and with the intent to end the life of another. That is the only intention in every case of discharged firearms in law enforcement.

[Khamsin]

You act like people need to protect themselves from the police just as much as from their fellow man.

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*breathe*

oh my...

So I take it you believe we should carry guns in case the cops try to interfere with our criminal activities? That's the smart choice in protecting ourselves from the fuzz, right?

And let's say you do draw your gun on a cop without being shot then and there. What have you accomplished, besides digging yourself a hole and going to prison for a long time regardless of the reason the cops came in the first place? It's not like you can point a gun at a cop, tell them to back off and leave you alone, then go back to your life like nothing happened.

Seriously, what's the point? All it does is get you killed, or get you anally raped in prison, whether or not you actually fire the weapon, whether or not you're guilty of the crime they've come to arrest you for.

[Correction]

Let's put this in another perspective.

Don't do this in front of a cop and expect to walk away without getting shot

http://bartchainsaw.ytmnd.com/

[Misterjingles]

You act like people need to protect themselves from the police just as much as from their fellow man.

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*breathe*

oh my...

So I take it you believe we should carry guns in case the cops try to interfere with our criminal activities? That's the smart choice in protecting ourselves from the fuzz, right?

And let's say you do draw your gun on a cop without being shot then and there. What have you accomplished, besides digging yourself a hole and going to prison for a long time regardless of the reason the cops came in the first place? It's not like you can point a gun at a cop, tell them to back off and leave you alone, then go back to your life like nothing happened.

Seriously, what's the point? All it does is get you killed, or get you anally raped in prison, whether or not you actually fire the weapon, whether or not you're guilty of the crime they've come to arrest you for.

But if the cop was a recently reanimated zombie, you would be saying otherwise.

[Charla]

You act like people need to protect themselves from the police just as much as from their fellow man.

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*breathe*

oh my...

So I take it you believe we should carry guns in case the cops try to interfere with our criminal activities? That's the smart choice in protecting ourselves from the fuzz, right?

And let's say you do draw your gun on a cop without being shot then and there. What have you accomplished, besides digging yourself a hole and going to prison for a long time regardless of the reason the cops came in the first place? It's not like you can point a gun at a cop, tell them to back off and leave you alone, then go back to your life like nothing happened.

Seriously, what's the point? All it does is get you killed, or get you anally raped in prison, whether or not you actually fire the weapon, whether or not you're guilty of the crime they've come to arrest you for.

But if the cop was a recently reanimated zombie, you would be saying otherwise.

That's why I input the (modified) Konami code for unlimited rocket launcher ammo.

[Zalius]

fuck liberal "everyone deserves their life" bullshit

some people deserve to be put the mother fuck down, and they dont deserve 3 needles a kiss goodnight. Teargas for riots, tazers for solo rage faggots, and death for anyone that threatens the life of anyone else.

[Maxxthepenguin]

fuck liberal "everyone deserves their life" bullshit

some people deserve to be put the mother fuck down, and they dont deserve 3 needles a kiss goodnight. Teargas for riots, tazers for solo rage faggots, and death for anyone that threatens the life of anyone else.

By that law, anyone who passes the law or supports it should be killed.

Interesting.

[Beckwin]

I love it when basement conservatives/internet supremacists run through the rah rah of "dumb people deserve to die" or any variation of it.

Anyway again, the issue should focus on there being some kind of punishment for unnecessarily filling someone with lead. I don't think anyone could get a bill passed that penalized cops for torso shots when a suspect was wielding a gun- that would be stupid. It's stuff like this:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html

that needs closer looks and possible stronger routes for prosecution. Shooting a 12 year old car thief while he's climbing a fence?

Yeah zalius, go ahead and point out that the kid was a nigger and deserved it. We'll all find it so funny and witty.