Enspell in Exp math question.

[Wizerd]

To be fair, 4-man bee runs were possible before the Scholar update. We were doing 3-man runs as RDM/WAR, DRK, THF and the bees died plenty fast, and we even got my sune-ate from it~. We also did Mad Bomber whenever it was up with this setup (or similar setups where the DRK would be a MNK or a SAM etc). However, we're done for now since we don't need anything from it anymore.

On a more related note, Scholar sounds wonderful in Salvage now, I wish I had one. By the way, Whatinthe, you're a retard if you think COR is useless in Salvage. Try taking your RDM BRD WHM setup and replacing the RDM with a COR. Yes, replace the RDM, not the WHM. I got the idea from Wafik when I suggested replacing the WHM, and we love it now whenever we have a COR and only 3 back lines. COR is sexy.

[Lordwafik]

Whatinthe is a moron :\

[isladar]

Be nice, darling, its Newbie.

[RKenshin]

This is kind of a silly argument, people will do what they like to do and/or are best at. And as Kaeko said a billion times, you work with what you have.

But, seriously, MNK burn isn't the only effective way to run Salvage and it's stupid to think that you can't and shouldn't do it any other way if the option is available. There are always different ways to do things and hell they can often be better than the way its believed you "should do it," and for someone who seemed so upset your salvage group would only do it the way you thought "you should" with PLD tanks at the start, you more than anyone should realize this.

But, really my group could easily do every run as MNK+MNK+MNK+THF+BRD+RDM, as our core group all have skilled, just about fully-equipped, and merited combination of those jobs. But you know what? We almost never use that combination.

Our WAR+WAR+SAM+THF+BRD+RDM combination is far superior in kill speed. I love and have a lot of fun on MNK, but I'm not ashamed to admit this. We've been doing salvage since it started with only one break for a few weeks, but in the mean time we averaged as many as 5 runs a week. We've tried plenty of different combos, and someone else trying to say what's best for us is silly.

To comment on SCH once more, we actually had a SCH assist in a run recently and I have to agree its everything Kaeko said it is and more for salvage... With everything together and the same setup I was advocating earlier + a SCH, we cleared all frogs and killed the boss with a half an hour left in the run. Hardly inefficient or inferior at all, and SCH was an incredibly help in doing this.

Not to mention that everyone had JA/magic/SJ/weapon by the end of the first floor, so nothing was "wasted" on SCH to begin with.