Do I dare ask about the Holocaust?

[guartz]

Ok I just want to make a quick distinction here.

I'm not talking about the morality here.

I'm talking about a peice history which has been closed to inspection.

Nazi death camps didn't keep accurate records, and their records attributed death to old age, starvation, natural causes, cross fire, disease. Not murder.

However, after the war, ever missing jewish person (about 6mil) were assigned to nazi death camp as a murder victim. Also, very innacurate for obvious rationale too boring to discuss.

So we don't know if 6 million is accurate. It's probably not. What I do know, that any investigation into it will lead to public banishment in most countries and jail sentence in some countries.

[Tricen]

Semantics? Eh... Well... It's guartz.

[Demosthenes11]

You know, when there are huge gigantic ass rooms with poison residue everywhere inside of them, along with a shitload of people saying people were gassed by the hundreds every day, there's usually merit to them.

We know you hate jews Guartz, you proved this to us day 1. Go fuck yourself with your "information" because it's not wanted.

[skurlover]

Ok I just want to make a quick distinction here.

I'm not talking about the morality here.

I'm talking about a peice history which has been closed to inspection.

Nazi death camps didn't keep accurate records, and their records attributed death to old age, starvation, natural causes, cross fire, disease. Not murder.

However, after the war, ever missing jewish person (about 6mil) were assigned to nazi death camp as a murder victim. Also, very innacurate for obvious rationale too boring to discuss.

So we don't know if 6 million is accurate. It's probably not. What I do know, that any investigation into it will lead to public banishment in most countries and jail sentence in some countries.

Death camps were named just that, a DEATH camp. Whether they actually put a bullet in their head or just didn't give them food until they starved to death, it was still a intended death.

If I shoot my child, it is murder, if I stop giving my child food until they die, it is child abuse and murder. Get it?

I'm sorry Guartz, but as a piece of advice, I would refrain from bringing yourself into this type of thread again (especially when you didn't start it). Firas looks like a dumbass for asking, but you went and took the lead seat in the short bus.

[Tricen]

So basically NQDemos, you're saying that guartz should be shunned for providing information on something you don't agree with?

[Charla]

Just give it another 50 years or something, then we can investigate those records and find out it was exactly 5,285,391 people. 94% Jews, 4% cripples, 2% communists. And justice will be served!

[Tricen]

Just give it another 50 years or something, then we can investigate those records and find out it was exactly 5,285,391 people. 94% Jews, 4% cripples, 2% communists. And justice will be served!

In 50 years it'll prolly be forgotten.

[Creeps]

Just give it another 50 years or something, then we can investigate those records and find out it was exactly 5,285,391 people. 94% Jews, 4% cripples, 2% communists. And justice will be served!

In 50 years it'll prolly be forgotten.

Yeah, because history shows that people just casually forget about millions of people being killed. Just like everyone forgot about the Crusades and we don't ever have to hear or learn about it in school... OHWAIT

[Norelco]

OP, if you have to ask, then it's probably best not to ask.

This doesn't deserve a thread. A little research on google should give you enough information to form your own opinion.

Add "Holocaust Experts" to BG's list of known professions.

[Day]

Die in a firas.

[Charla]

Actually, nobody ever touched the Crusades in my schools (or the Holy Roman Empire, or basically anything that happened between the Middle Ages and American colonization). My theory is that they didn't want to offend anyone by teaching us about how white guys delivered burnination to everyone else in sight for a few decades.

As for being forgotten in 50 years, that was kinda the point. When nobody who remembers it is still alive, maybe Germany won't be quite so afraid of its own past. Then we can have some actual historical study, and find out that our current numbers were only a little off in the first place.

[guartz]

You know, when there are huge gigantic ass rooms with poison residue everywhere inside of them, along with a shitload of people saying people were gassed by the hundreds every day, there's usually merit to them.

We know you hate jews Guartz, you proved this to us day 1. Go fuck yourself with your "information" because it's not wanted.

lol, ..just lol.

Ok, here is some of the stupidity I was talking about. 6 million jews right?

"The camp commandant, Rudolf Höß (in English commonly Hoess or Höss), testifed at the Nuremberg Trials that 3 million people had died at Auschwitz during his stay as a commandant. Later he decreased his estimate to about 1.1 million. The death toll given by the Soviets and accepted by many was 4,000,000 people. This number was written on the plaques in the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum. The Museum revised this figure in 1990, and new calculations by Dr. Franciszek Piper now place the figure at 1.1 million[2] about 90 percent of them were Jews from almost every country in Europe.[3] Most deportees were killed in gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and medical experiments."

So it was estimated that 4million died, then corrected to 1.1million, yet the death total is still 6million?

lol, AWESOME AND TOTALLY FACTUAL HISTORY AND NOT EMOTIONAL PROPAGANDA AT ALL.


edit: quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_ ... ation_camp

[Brill Weave]

Nazi death camps didn't keep accurate records, and their records attributed death to old age, starvation, natural causes, cross fire, disease. Not murder.

Well first off, Firas read a history book if you want to learn about the Holocaust. Or better yet, go to a Center of Jewish Well Being and ask them if it was faked.

As to the quote above, while I understand your point, in some cases the Germans didn't walk up with a gun and pull the trigger, it is foolish to think that these poor people weren't murdered.

Look at the very reasons you mentioned yourself. Old age. If you take your grandmother out of her comfortable home when she's 80 years old and throw her in a concentration camp you don't think that will have anything to do with her dying there?

Let's look at starvation now. If I am keeping you captive at gunpoint and I refuse to give you food and you die, how is that not murder?

Disease. The concentration camps had medical facilities. The diseases that were present weren't just limited to the Jewish people there. Those diseases pass from person to person and the German soldiers were not immune to the diseases. Now if I am keeping you captive and you get sick and I have the means to make you better and I don't do it, watching you die instead, how is that not murder?

Natural Causes? In a death camp? Are you fucking serious?

Crossfires? Why would the Jews be put in that position to start with? Oh that's right. The Germans dragged them out of their homes and put them into the line of fire. Murder by proxy.

But yeah, none of that constitutes murder. Thanks for playing, you've been a great contestant.

[guartz]

BrillCS. Thank you for providing your rationale why the nazi's records were not accurate. Because simply saying they are not accurate isn't enough for some people.

[Correction]

You went to a school with a lousy history department. My courses did cover the Crusades and in fact the Armenian genocide. The problem is that the records there were not as well kept or were too rare to be seen on field trips to museums or in class.

Meanwhile, Nazi Germany Holocaust survivors were still alive, able to come to school, etc. and the piles of material from 50-60, as opposed to 100 (armenian genocide) or 600-800 (the crusades) years ago are easier to come by and show children.

Also lolguartz. Let's make him wear a patch on his vest, cram him into a prison labor camp and let him starve to death. By his definition that's not murder under anybody's order.

[Brill Weave]

BrillCS. Thank you for providing your rationale why the nazi's records were not accurate. Because simply saying they are not accurate isn't enough for some people.

I always thought it was common knowledge that the records weren't exactly kosher. Before people freak out about the records, look at it constructively for a minute. You mentioned Hess above and his testimony during the Nuremberg Trials.

It's a bit hard for me to take Hess's words at face value. The man was facing death. Of course he would attempt to lower the numbers of the people that were killed where he was at.

But it's almost nearly impossible to ever get anywhere close to an accurate number. It's just on too large of a scale. I think that everyone here, save Firas, can agree that millions of Jewish people were killed or died at the hands of Nazi Germany. And that is not something that can be debated.

[guartz]

Nazi Germany Holocaust survivors.

Holocaust Survivor doesn't mean they were in Auschwitz or anywhere near a death camp, or if they even seen a nazi soldier. Let's keep that in mind there, chief.

[Demosthenes11]

hay guys I can google stuff and then post it as fact too

http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps ... sEngl.html

[Charla]

Damn right I had lousy history departments, it's a public school district in Northern California. Armenian genocide? I never even heard the word Armenia until System of a Down said it like 8 years ago.

[tyven]

i cant believe this thread is actually happening. one of the absolute darkest moments in human history, and we got faggots running around saying 'guyz its not as bad as u think!'