Do I dare ask about the Holocaust?

[Creeps]

You can even go further back, into WW1.

When the U.S under Wilson enter ww1, they forced germany to accept unconditional surrender. And this is after wilson promised "I will not send your sons to fight foreign wars on foreign soil"

If u.s had not interfered, the ww1 would have ended with what's called "mutual exahustion" and quite possibly bismarck would have been overthrown by socialists, which would have failed like russia.. in other words, less bloodshed.

The great thing about history is that it's retarded to speculate what could have happened because IT ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENED

[Pirian]

Because Russia is
I was just in Moscow too! You know, visiting the place of birth.

Hey, U.S is in awesome shape, ain't it? Try googling it, and tell me how the hell any of that is relavent.

It is very relavent if you're implying somehow that Russia becomming communist was a good thing, but of course I wouldn't expect you to make a connection like that.

If u.s had not interfered, the ww1 would have ended with what's called "mutual exahustion" and quite possibly bismarck would have been overthrown by socialists, which would have failed like russia.. in other words, less bloodshed.

Is the quote I was refering to, because you obviously are confused by what I said and need to reread what you yourself wrote and think about why I commented the way I did.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I will tell you quite simply why Firas doesn't want to think the Holocaust happened: It's another reason to hate the Jews and specifically the Isrealis. In case you haven't noticed, he, like many people in the Middle East, despise Isreal and will believe anything bad about Isreal but never consider anything good about them. Holocaust denial is key being able to say 'they were never homeless, they were just an invading force!'.

Firas, this is a bunch of straight up bullshit. Get some fucking brains.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

lol @ the idea of someone being scared of the French

lol Damn.

Last good French army was in 1066.

What's with the US/France hating anyway?

I can't recall specifically, but it has something to do with either 9/11 or Iraq and the oil for food scandal, and we bailed them out in WWII. I can recall hearing on the news, "some restaurants are going to stop selling french fries and are only going to sell freedom fries from now on." lol. I can remember French wines being poored out to.

[guartz]

I'm sorry, I must have been confused. I thought that we were speculating how the french could have stopped Hitler. (and they could have, all they needed was to send 1, just 1 soldier into the rhinelands, with a note that stated, "stop this shit nao!!!11!")

but I guess we weren't in the "speculative" mode yet.

[Shuemue]

but I guess we weren't in the "speculative" mode yet.

Cunts like you need to deal in facts, with evidence, before you speculate.

[guartz]

Cunts like you need to deal in facts, with evidence, before you speculate.

Here is a fact; this is an internet arguement. Calling me names means your taking it personally, which means that I may or may not be laughing my ass off right now.

[Shuemue]

Cunts like you need to deal in facts, with evidence, before you speculate.

Here is a fact; this is an internet arguement. Calling me names means your taking it personally, which means that I may or may not be laughing my ass off right now.

No, I toss the word cunt around with astounding regularity. Take it with exactly the same weight as the dozens of other posters who call you retard, idiot and moron.

[Kuya]

lol @ the idea of someone being scared of the French

lol Damn.

Last good French army was in 1066.

What's with the US/France hating anyway?

I can't recall specifically, but it has something to do with either 9/11 or Iraq and the oil for food scandal, and we bailed them out in WWII. I can recall hearing on the news, "some restaurants are going to stop selling french fries and are only going to sell freedom fries from now on." lol. I can remember French wines being poored out to.

That's pretty childish behaviour considering no ally is obligated to help without some sort of pact made, and considering that the US's principal intentions had little to do with freeing France, and considering what Iraq has turned into...

I was just wondering about those french jokes, barring the ones made because they eat snails and frogs, because France was one of the most powerful empires in all of Europe, and it managed to wipe the floor with every other nation in the general vicinity for years and establish the first republic, so some of the jokes were a bit contradictory to that effect. I at least know why the Brittish or the Germans might make those jokes considering how much bad blood their exists between them and France, even if the jokes are untrue.

[Charla]

Convincing Nazi Germany to leave the Rhinelands alone for a while wouldn't have accomplished much beyond denying them some territory (and probably pushing domestic sentment towards the Nazi side) for the next 3 years. Swamp's position was that Nazi Germany was weak enough that it could have been conquered before building up the power that it later used to take Poland and France (which was politically impossible for both France and Britain for numerous reasons). As such, I conceded that the war could have been replaced by an earlier and presumably shorter one which would have left Germany again incapable of attempting to conquer Europe.

Swampy and I went into speculative mode first, it's not all Guartz's fault.

[Shuemue]

My French and German jokes are based on centuries of war, trade and sport. Think of it like America, Canada and Mexico except with a much longer history and a ton more wars.

[Brill Weave]

I'm sitting here at work and it's pretty slow. In response to how deaths were marked up at concentration camps I was able to find this. It is the transcript for the trial of Adolf Eichmann. Eichmann was originally given the position of Transportation Administrator, putting him in charge of all the trains carrying Jewish people to death camps. He also obtained all of the death notices from the people who passed away in the camps.

It's very interesting to read and it blows holes in the whole "natural causes" theory. Anyways here's the link and here's some quotes from it.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eic ... 70-02.html

Q. How were you ordered to record the cause of death?

A. We were given the cause of death together with the death notice. In a very short time, it became clear to us that all this was only camouflage, and that none of these causes of death could, under any circumstances, be genuine.

Q. What did you write on the forms?

A. We wrote in the forms various kinds of illnesses.

Q. Such as?

A. Catarrh of the intestines, pneumonia, erysipelas (an inflammation of the skin), general debility, dysentery, and all kinds of other kinds. In addition, in brief, I learned to draw conclusions, in the case of people where the cause was stated to be "ploetzlicher Herztod" (sudden death from a heart attack), that this was a case of killing, and not death from so-called natural causes. We then recorded it in such a way that it was clear from the entry that the person had not died from illness, and not even from floggings and tortures, but that he had been shot.

Q. Did you sometimes note down "shot" or "executed"?

A. Never.

Q. "Hanged"?

A. Never, never.

Q. As far as the card index showed, nobody was ever hanged or shot in Auschwitz?

A. Nobody.

Q. What happened to the people who were taken to the gas chambers for extermination? What happened to their personal cards?

A. These were the cards of the Sonderbehandelte (special treatment). I wanted to stress here that, of course, we were aware that "actions" were taking place and selections were being made in the camp, and that people were being taken away to be gassed. With us, such cases were marked only by two letters: SB (Sonderbehandlung - special treatment). When one of my colleagues working in the Registratur said to the chief, "Herr Unterscharfuehrer, sie ist doch tot" (Mr. Unterscharfuehrer, but she is dead), he would reply, "Mensch, Sie sind wohl verrueckt, sie ist SB" (You, are you crazy? She is SB - she has received special treatment).

Q. What used to happen to the personal cards of those people who were transferred to "SB"?

A. Their cards were removed, they were marked "SB" and destroyed.

Q. The cards were destroyed?

A. Yes.

Q. There was no routine death notice concerning those people?

A. Never.

Q. If I understand you correctly, the death notice concerned people who died in Auschwitz in other ways, and not those who were put to death by gassing.

A. Not those killed by gassing.

Q. What happened with the people who were brought directly to the gas chambers? Did they undergo registration?

A. There was no record in the camp.

Q. As if they had not come there?

A. No record.

Q. They were not registered at all?

A. They were not registered at all.

Q. Did you hear from members of the SS that there was a quota of dead persons that had to be produced?

A. I knew that, I was told that, before the Kommando left in the morning for "Aussenarbeit", the SS escort would go up to the Blockfuehrerstube (office of the block leaders), and there he would be given the number of dead that they wanted him to bring back. He was also interested in that, since then he was given leave, with all sorts of benefits.

Q. That he should bring back from work a fixed quota of dead people after a day's work?

A. Yes

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Pretty interesting to read and it makes it quite a bit difficult to believe anything other than murder at Auschwitz.

[Correction]

Cunts like you need to deal in facts, with evidence, before you speculate.

Here is a fact; this is an internet arguement. Calling me names means your taking it personally, which means that my transparent attempt at trolling the thread while derailing it with my usual conspiracy rubbish is succeeding :bagel: .

[Kwijiboe]

Where are the new moderators? Shouldn't this thread be closed by now?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Where are the new moderators? Shouldn't this thread be closed by now?

We should move this bullshit topic to spam forum

Where bullshit topics are the currency

[Shuemue]

Where are the new moderators? Shouldn't this thread be closed by now?

Why should it be closed? It breaks no rules.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Cunts like you need to deal in facts, with evidence, before you speculate.

Here is a fact; this is an internet arguement. Calling me names means your taking it personally, which means that my transparent attempt at trolling the thread while derailing it with my usual conspiracy rubbish is succeeding :bagel: .

It started with conspiracy rubbish. Can't say it got derailed there. Guartz just saw a juicy pile of shit and had to rub it all over himself

[Gafgarionn]

You can even go further back, into WW1.

When the U.S under Wilson enter ww1, they forced germany to accept unconditional surrender. And this is after wilson promised "I will not send your sons to fight foreign wars on foreign soil"

If u.s had not interfered, the ww1 would have ended with what's called "mutual exahustion" and quite possibly bismarck would have been overthrown by socialists, which would have failed like russia.. in other words, less bloodshed.

This morning in history -101 at Guartz University: What "would have" happened "quite possibly" if the scenario I made up actually happened.

Bring liquor to class.

Best post in this thread, lol. Guartz, you do realize that whether the Holocaust could've been prevented or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that Hitler killed millions upon millions of Jews, right? For someone that seems to read so much, I have a hard time believing that you could overlook that detail.

[Shuemue]

You can even go further back, into WW1.

When the U.S under Wilson enter ww1, they forced germany to accept unconditional surrender. And this is after wilson promised "I will not send your sons to fight foreign wars on foreign soil"

If u.s had not interfered, the ww1 would have ended with what's called "mutual exahustion" and quite possibly bismarck would have been overthrown by socialists, which would have failed like russia.. in other words, less bloodshed.

This morning in history -101 at Guartz University: What "would have" happened "quite possibly" if the scenario I made up actually happened.

Bring liquor to class.

Best post in this thread, lol. Guartz, you do realize that whether the Holocaust could've been prevented or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that Hitler killed millions upon millions of Jews, right? For someone that seems to read so much, I have a hard time believing that you could overlook that detail.

GTFO with your common sense.

[guartz]

This topic is too good for spam.

Also, Charla. I agree with you regarding the rhinelands. Wouldn't have really changed much, but if you had to name 2 main reasons why Hitler was able to come to power, what would it be?

I say; 1. U.S involvement in ww1, and 2. treaty of versaille.

If #1 didn't happen, #2 wouldn't happen... and #2 radicalize germany. It's easy when you can spend your entire savings on a cup of coffee, or require a wheelbarrel of cash to buy a loaf of bread.