2STR vs 1 Base DMG

[Koyangi]

mainly in the case of Mezraq vs Messo. I'm 99.9% sure Mezraq +1 tops Messo. But how does 2STR vs 1 Base dmg pale for DRG.

[Thorny]

4 STR = 1 base damage going by fSTR, though it doesn't round as far as i know, so about half the time that 2 STR will push you into the same base damage as thalassocrat while giving you 1 attack, though thalassocrat has 2 dex. Going to say thalassocrat is always better since even if the 2 str pushes you up 1 fSTR i'd put 2 dex above 1 attack.

[SeraphusRagnarok]

After about 150 total STR, adding 4 STR doesn't even increase Penta Thrust's damage on merit mobs, but DEX still will, going by Illean's weapon skill damage claculator that is.

[RKenshin]

DRG melees in low amounts of STR, so usually they are no where near camping fSTR. And DRG is unable to get over 150 STR, even for Penta.

But, really it is so close it does not matter. I probably would go with Thesswhatever if I had to choose and they were both the same price.

[GSDragoon]

And DRG is unable to get over 150 STR, even for Penta.

http://characters.shirtninjas.com/profi ... ofile=1575

150 str for a hume with no str merits. Totally unrealistic and I wouldn't use all those pieces, but it is doable ;p

[Valisk]

Too bad Vulcan's ring doesnt exist.

[GSDragoon]

Swap in a hecatomb harness +1 or triumph earing then.

Fixed profile, there 153 str on a hume with no str merits.

[RKenshin]

And DRG is unable to get over 150 STR, even for Penta.

http://characters.shirtninjas.com/profi ... ofile=1575

150 str for a hume with no str merits. Totally unrealistic and I wouldn't use all those pieces, but it is doable ;p

I probably should've phrased it differently, but taking what I said too literal lol.

I mean that DRG can't get over 150 STR for anything they'd normally use in melee gear, or even in Penta gear. It is possible to reach that much, but if you're using that kind of gear for TP or Penta you deserve a slap.

Even with Gungnir and the accuracy traits, there's not enough acc in there to land all hits at a decent rate on much of anything. 66 counting everything and the traits, which effectively will result in about a 70-75% hit-rate on most mobs. Leaving you with a 15-23% chance to land a full Penta, assuming no DAs.

[Therin]

Even with Gungnir and the accuracy traits, there's not enough acc in there to land all hits at a decent rate on much of anything. 66 counting everything and the traits, which effectively will result in about a 70-75% hit-rate on most mobs. Leaving you with a 15-23% chance to land a full Penta, assuming no DAs.

This is why I hug my Abyss Cape daily. <3

Rarely use it for Great Sword but always do for Guillotine. And yes, I know this has nothing to do with DRG, but whatever.

I'd use Thalassocrat because it's blue.

[Akanei]

NQ Blue > NQ Red

HQ Red > NQ Blue

HQ Blue > HQ Red

Valk Fork > Jesus

[SamanosukeShiva]

amen

[Octavious]

Valk Fork > Jesus

I shouldn't have read this so early...I had uncontrollable giggles :3 I totally agree with this comment.

[Tordall]

For the 2 str vs. 2 dex thing.

During TP-build phase:

As with everything else in ffxi, fSTR calculations truncate rather than round. The practical implications of that for this discussion is that 2 str means you'll have 1 more base damage on 50% of the mobs you fight (since they'll have different vits based on mob type and level).

For the 2 dex, it won't do much (other than a small amount of +acc), unless you've got a lot of other +dex gear (gogo max dex build for crit. hits).

[Alistaire]

Valk Fork > Jesus

I shouldn't have read this so early...I had uncontrollable giggles :3 I totally agree with this comment.

First thought was "so that was a Valk Fork they pierced him with @ the crucifixion?" Then "someone should shop that." Seems I'm in a more sacriligious mood than normal today.

[ringthree]

4 STR = 1 base damage going by fSTR, though it doesn't round as far as i know, so about half the time that 2 STR will push you into the same base damage as thalassocrat while giving you 1 attack, though thalassocrat has 2 dex. Going to say thalassocrat is always better since even if the 2 str pushes you up 1 fSTR i'd put 2 dex above 1 attack.

Your statement completely contradicts your conclusion. 4STR = 1 base damage if you just got your last increase in fSTR. There are still questions as to how exactly it is calculated, but that is close, so your conclusion that it's about 50% is kind of true, but is more likely the case that you either will be getting the same base damage or you won't depending on the mob. Also depending on when you received your last increase of attack from STR you will get 1~2 attack from it the Merzaq that you don't get from Thalassocrat. With the accuracy that most DRG carry for TP build the 2 DEX means nothing at all, so in that case 1~2 attack is not above 2 DEX, and I don't really see how you came to that conclusion.

IN THE END: It's not going to matter one damn bit, you will not see any difference at all in parsing these. There are about a million other things that will effect your parses before you notice a difference between these two polearms.

Likely this was added to decrease the pressure for RMT to hax-mine Mt. Zhayolm.

[Octavious]

First thought was "so that was a Valk Fork they pierced him with @ the crucifixion?" Then "someone should shop that." Seems I'm in a more sacriligious mood than normal today.

I couldn't help myself :o , oh what has catholic school taught me...
(Linked Because I Don't Want to Offend)
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[SamanosukeShiva]

nice

[ringthree]

I'm a nerd, and I worked out the equations on my blog. Here is the difference as STR varies (I didn't do attack, it's too much of a pain) under the old pDIF calculations which appear to be incorrect now probably because of the two-handed update. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...p/Mez_Thal.jpg

For Penta Thrust this will be the same, but for all other meaningful polearm WS's Merzaq will be ahead.