Tanking Tia

[Therin]

Holy shit, punctuation/enter key wtf, halp, my eyes/brain. . orz. ; ;

On topic: Tiamat's easy, he shouldn't TP much and even if you do use melee, if you have problems with Touchdown/Terror or even Roar (yes, Roar is annoying, but it is hardly a difficulty), learn to cooperate with your fucking co-tanks/stunners.

This argument is retarded, as is the OP - now I'm going to do more campaign, bye.

[Fyrebrand]

who cares about what the hardest part of tanking tiamat is ; ;

[Reapz]

Minnich is a prick he has no skill whatsoever

[Mocker]

seriousbusiness. Let me call my friends to post on this for support. Considering none of them actually know about any of this. You weren't there bottom line. The verbal dispute started when I was asked "What is the hardest part of tanking tiamat" and since I didn't mention terrorize your boy went off with his rant. It didn't even occur to me that terrorize was even an issue because well if you learned to read you probably would've already figured it out. Let's just drop it, I did NOT mention his name. He threw himself in this I asked the question that was asked to me to see what people's response would be. I admire your concern for your friend by defending him but I think you've stepped into something that really is way over your head. You've missed the entire point of this entire discussion. It was for him, not you. Rukenshin and Wodapop are both people i've actually listened too and talked too in the past because of their xanga/live journals. What's funny though since your talking about things you know nothing about let me break it down for you. Minnich said the hardest part of tanking TIA is "Terrorize", i disagreed. Therefore with all that said I am assuming that Rukenshin did agree with me. I do not have a tanking complex I have no problem asking other capable tanks what they think. Unlike your "boy" I don't completely disregard someone else's opinions because they aren't my own. Unlike your friend here I do not need my "friends" to come to my defense it was an honest question. If other people thought terrorize was the "Hardest part of tanking tiamat" I would've simply took it for what it was not fight it. If Rukenshin or anyone else here said Terrorize was indeed the toughest part I merely would've been like damn I was wrong. Probably would've apologized for giving minnich shit and been on my way lol. Once again I did not bring him or you into this. I kept everything hush hush, I just asked the question I felt I wanted answered by other people who have tanked tiamat.

I didn't argue anything when I said flying was harder I just felt that terrorize was so minimal that losing 30+ damage (depending on your gear is far more scary). I never said it was a problem at all however. I don't think in the air he is a problem but that's more annoying than terrorize, not to mention the pose sometimes your in is alot of fun to screenshot lol. Mercuryx camps against Senshu the same people who I ended up fighting tiamat with back in Oceans. Mercury is competing still though they are currently the top ls on phoenix. Nevertheless listen out of respect for your loyalty to mInni I'm not going to engage in any verbal banter but really don't patronize me. I could post screenshots blah blah but mehI don't know you, and sadly you were not there to see your boy go off so you're throwing fuel to flame for no reason. Yet you should know by knowing him how slick he is with his tounge apparently everyone else does. So you could see how this situation was elevated. I did NOT mention his name because I did NOT want this drama. I just wanted to know what the general concensus was. I got what I came for, so I hope after your shots you got what you came for. Are we done here now? This topic can be locked at anytime.

It all boils down to arguing what the hardest part of an easy battle is, and as such I don't really see the need for a topic to begin with. I'm fairly certain that Minnich never referred to terror as being hard to deal with, considering he's never expressed anything like that in the past. I'm not sure what you were expecting when you alluded to someone you know posts on BG in an inflammatory manner either. Really it's just somewhat ridiculous that you'd make this topic, and it was bound to lead to a meaningless argument, I hope you realize that. Only reason I joined in was because, sad as it is, this is the closest thing to drama Valefor has had in months.

P.S Serious business

[Judai]

Tia is pretty much a joke to tank, so yes getting Terror'd and possibly two shotted without being able to do anything or some random bad double attacks during ichi are the "hard parts". Touchdown is nothing and it's rather easy to get shadows up after it. There are far harder mobs to tank then Tia, if you are having any problems, lol. Stupid thread and not even reading the retarded walls of text, shut up and argue over someting that is actually challenging to tank.

[Therin]

Tia is pretty much a joke to tank, so yes getting Terror'd and possibly two shotted without being able to do anything or some random bad double attacks during ichi are the "hard parts". Touchdown is nothing and it's rather easy to get shadows up after it. There are far harder mobs to tank then Tia, if you are having any problems, lol. Stupid thread and not even reading the retarded walls of text, shut up and argue over someting that is actually challenging to tank.

Like the thing in your sig.

I hate that guy.

[Zosi]

who cares about what the hardest part of tanking tiamat is ; ;

It's about as relevant and important as the hardest part of eating a grilled cheese sandwich.

"Dude, it's the molten cheese, you could totally get first-degree tongue burns!"

"You're a retard, chewing through the crust is more dangerous, what if you get little bits stuck in your teeth! You might never get them out, and they'll sit there and decompose and give you a deadly infection some day!"

That's about the intelligence of Thagoods's argument. You're arguing and trolling about something that is (at best) a pretty subjective* thing, and in the end, is completely irrelevant. The only reason there's an argument at all is because you took a statement that something was the "hardest" part, which is relative, and somehow turned it into the absolute "I find this part hard", which is completely different. If I say the hardest part of eating a grilled cheese sandwich is waiting for the cheese to cool down so I don't burn my mouth, that doesn't mean that I have trouble eating a grilled cheese sandwich. It means that there's a part that I find relatively more difficult than the rest, the rest being trivially simple, and therefore the "hardest" part probably still being trivial.

* - The reason I say that it's subjective is because it depends on which perspective you're looking at it from. If I was a tank, I could see terror being the "worst" part of tanking simply because of the loss of control. As a tank, your life depends on you being in control of the fight, and instantly losing that control and having to trust the other tank to act correctly and save you is something that some people don't like. That's not to say they can't do it, but it might be the most frustrating part of the fight for them if they don't have any problems with performing the tanking actions themselves.

[Mocker]

Like the thing in your sig.

I hate that guy.

Which part of tanking him do you hate the most?

[Cyn]

I was so sitting here just now thinking about how the thing this thread needed most was a book long metaphor comparing tanking tiamat to grilled cheese sandwiches. But looks like someone beat me to it. QQ

[tooshay]

/salute zosi

[Titanss]

Who gives a shit!?

[ThagoodsVol1]

Arguement?

People let me reiterate I had gotten into a discussion with someone who laughed at me when I said that Terrorize was not the hardest part of tanking Tiamat. I asked the question to people here to see what they thought. Bottom line, I didn't mention any names or anything else. The person in question came and started yappin off again lol. I merely just wanted to know what other people thought period. I thought it was obvious that terrorize isn't even an issue when tanking tiamat but apparently not because someone felt so strongly about they started insulting. According to that person not mentioning Terrorize as the hardest part of Tiamat made me a noob. Rather than go back and forth I put the question here to see what other's would say.I could've been wrong so I asked and people responded to the question the same way I would have. So relax Zosi, and this thread should've been closed ages ago. You people are acting like this was some tragedy or some insanely hideous crime. I was simply curious as to what other people thought the hardest part of tanking tiamat was FOR THEM.

[Zosi]

You posted a bunch of inflammatory bullshit to bait the person into responding. That's not "looking for opinions", that's trolling.

[Raineer]

Good morning, Thagoods Volume 1.

I have been incessantly trying to comprehend your argumentation, as well as what your actual opinion is for the past 30 minutes. Somehow I still find myself at a loss, as you appear to be shifting it around as you please. I recall from last night during the argument that what we found so amusing was not "keeping shadows up during mighty strikes", but instead we focused more on the notion that "Touchdown" was a devastating move, as well as tanking Tiamat as it flies being difficult. You may argue that "Touchdown" is indeed a nuisance, but in all my time of killing Tiamat I have never seen one of our tanks die due to having shadows wiped by "Touchdown". In fact, since Tiamat flies a static duration, barring high damage, you can know exactly when it lands, wait until it has finished "Touchdown", then cast shadows with a nice little pause before it begins meleeing, toss in a stun if you feel like it. The epitome of diffficulty.

As for Tiamat being a problem in flight, if you're fighting Tiamat without either a Magic Damage Down/MDB set or a fire resist set I don't really know what you're doing there. It's not like they're difficult to obtain either of these. The inventory space argument doesn't really hold up either, considering how often a magic damage down setup is utilized in end game.

Perhaps if you had left out these two elements your argument would have been taken more seriously, but as is and was, I was myself entirely unable to treat you with anything approaching seriousness when two of the things you mentioned are things I can honestly say I haven't seen anyone in my own LS die to(or during).

As for Minnich shifting his argument around? It seems to be the exact same as it was yesterday, you however have added "Horrid Roar" to your list of things you consider difficult, a move you seemingly had no intention of including in your amazing "Top 3" until Rukenshin included it.

The more I read of you, the more I begin to question whether or not you have actually tanked Tiamat successfully. You definitely have not done so recently, considering I know you weren't a member of MercuryX, and you're definitely not a member of Wizardry. Perhaps your memory has become rusty?

P.S Get off Rukenshin's dick, he wasn't really agreeing with you. He said terror wasn't the biggest concern, and that Roar is the only nuisance. Addressing people who only come in to answer the initial question with such reverence makes you come off as a prick.

seriousbusiness. Let me call my friends to post on this for support. Considering none of them actually know about any of this. You weren't there bottom line. The verbal dispute started when I was asked "What is the hardest part of tanking tiamat" and since I didn't mention terrorize your boy went off with his rant. It didn't even occur to me that terrorize was even an issue because well if you learned to read you probably would've already figured it out. Let's just drop it, I did NOT mention his name. He threw himself in this I asked the question that was asked to me to see what people's response would be. I admire your concern for your friend by defending him but I think you've stepped into something that really is way over your head. You've missed the entire point of this entire discussion. It was for him, not you. Rukenshin and Wodapop are both people i've actually listened too and talked too in the past because of their xanga/live journals. What's funny though since your talking about things you know nothing about let me break it down for you. Minnich said the hardest part of tanking TIA is "Terrorize", i disagreed. Therefore with all that said I am assuming that Rukenshin did agree with me. I do not have a tanking complex I have no problem asking other capable tanks what they think. Unlike your "boy" I don't completely disregard someone else's opinions because they aren't my own. Unlike your friend here I do not need my "friends" to come to my defense it was an honest question. If other people thought terrorize was the "Hardest part of tanking tiamat" I would've simply took it for what it was not fight it. If Rukenshin or anyone else here said Terrorize was indeed the toughest part I merely would've been like damn I was wrong. Probably would've apologized for giving minnich shit and been on my way lol. Once again I did not bring him or you into this. I kept everything hush hush, I just asked the question I felt I wanted answered by other people who have tanked tiamat.

I didn't argue anything when I said flying was harder I just felt that terrorize was so minimal that losing 30+ damage (depending on your gear is far more scary). I never said it was a problem at all however. I don't think in the air he is a problem but that's more annoying than terrorize, not to mention the pose sometimes your in is alot of fun to screenshot lol. Mercuryx camps against Senshu the same people who I ended up fighting tiamat with back in Oceans. Mercury is competing still though they are currently the top ls on phoenix. Nevertheless listen out of respect for your loyalty to mInni I'm not going to engage in any verbal banter but really don't patronize me. I could post screenshots blah blah but mehI don't know you, and sadly you were not there to see your boy go off so you're throwing fuel to flame for no reason. Yet you should know by knowing him how slick he is with his tounge apparently everyone else does. So you could see how this situation was elevated. I did NOT mention his name because I did NOT want this drama. I just wanted to know what the general concensus was. I got what I came for, so I hope after your shots you got what you came for. Are we done here now? This topic can be locked at anytime.

OH GOD MY EYES
never take punctuation for wall

[thetruepandagod]

this thread is nothing but a compilation of idiocy...

[KuaiEQ]

everyone in this thread is a faggot err wait FUCK

[Therin]

Like the thing in your sig.

I hate that guy.

Which part of tanking him do you hate the most?

Definitely the Touchdown, it makes it really hard to recast shadows. /nod nod

[Kaeko]

KuaiEQ you have the best sig I've ever seen.

[Heian]

I almost miss Valefor, almost.

Whats up Minnich, how is Yoji doing these days, and my Ex Lover Serl?

[Nermal]

He is a joke to tank. I've tanked him a dozen ish times on my friends PLD account. I have very minimal macros. Honestly the only way hes hard is if you have a newb ls feeding him lots of tp, or your stunners absolutely fail at catching the AoEs. Horrid Roar is the only thing that really bothers me on him. If you can't get your shadows up on touchdown you should go back to farming Roc.

I personally am looking forward to tanking him when my PLD gets to 75, I intrested in how well my Ares body will hold up on him, and other stuff.