15 year old gay kid, killed

[Deejay]

I'm not sure if the OP just made a mistake or was trying to be funny but everywhere ive seen has called the kid lawrence king.

And deejay, you complacency about homophobia and willingness to accept it as how the world works astounds me, carry on.

Doofus, I have no complacency with homophobia, it's my complacency with prejudice in general. You're just assuming that I'm complacent with it because you're homosexual yourself. It's just a sad fact. People are going to discriminate against me because of my skin color. It happens because this is the world we live in. Should I accept it? No. Should I embrace it and try to find ways to positively work around it? Yes.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Deejay: Since when were middle school kids reasonable? Seriously, wtf are you expecting. The point shouldn't be to say that what he did was unreasonable, we're supposed to have an environment where being unreasonable doesn't get you killed.

I agree. It's not his fault that our society is still against homosexuality. But you have to take into account that this is the world we live in. If you want to make changes then be my guest! There are just right and wrong ways to bring about said changes, and I think Larry chose the wrong way. Does that mean we shouldn't value his life and courage to stand up to his bullies? No. No one is saying Larry lacked character, we're saying he lacked proper judgment if he was at all concerned with his personal welfare.

And almost no 15 year old has really good judgment. Saying that a lack of judgment in a 15 year old is a problem is not going to get anywhere and is ignoring the fact that we're dealing with humans.

[Remyo]

I don't think the gay kid should have asked the other kid to be his Valentine. Just going to make that step out.

[Tyche]

Look, the only reason that Larry "dealt with this the wrong way" is because he happened to be dealing with the one bully in a million that would kill him. End of story.

In every other situation that doesn't involve his own murder (including ones where he gets beat up for it), his assertive manner of dealing with his bully is brilliant. He got extremely unlucky, but his actions weren't wrong just because got so unlucky that he picked a psycho who overreacted in the most extreme sense.

Final word for the whole "did he do anything wrong" argument.

Brilliant is certainly an opinion. I'm not one who succumbs to the "retaliate by lowering yourself to their standards" method. It was immature, I'd expect someone who was (mature?) enough to make the decision to be openly gay and flaunt it (I say that because most 15 year olds would be scared and hide it), you damn well better be mature enough to deal with the one percenters ina mature manor. The one in a thousand drivers on the road are stupid enough to kill me when I'm in a vehicle. Doesn't mean that I wasn't responsible enough to buckle up when I made the decision to get behind the wheel.

[Deejay]

Which is why I said (and have been saying) that if Larry were my son/brother/friend I would have stopped him from doing that. It could have saved his life. That's the only observation that I made, and everyone got high and mighty over it, acting like I was blaming the victim.

[Tonko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apY0zq4d ... h_response

Looks like a normal kid to me.

[archibaldcrane]

you damn well better be mature enough to deal with the one percenters ina mature manor.

Unfortunately you don't know who the "one-percenters" (and I think that's an over-estimate) are until you have two bullets in your head. You either act like everyone is potentially going to murder you for acting out your sexuality, or you act like no one is going to murder you. You can say "that's not a risk I'm going to take" but you can't say "that's a risk that no one should take". Everyone determines for themselves how much fear they are willing to carry in life, and the braver ones do, knowingly, put themselves at more risk.

[Remyo]

looks like an enraged queen to me.

[Kuya]

trueniggazblood (20 hours ago) Show Hide -3 Marked as spam Reply | Spam kid aint deserve to die but no matter-fuk homos and all yall wack muuhfukas thas cool wit a gay muuhfuka comin on to you-i wouldnt of killed him but id of smacked face upside his head
if u gay keep tha shit? to urself no one needs to be poisoned wit yo sick as self

lol

[Tyche]

"One percenters" is a wordplay on the idea that most laws and legislation are created to protect 99% of society from the 1% who like to fuck it up. Of course that number fluctuates depending on the crime, but the idea here is that most people are down to earth, good people, but we still have to have an awareness of the others and protect ourselves from them. Remember the joke I made about black people and movie theaters, it was a joke, but the idea is what I was trying to get at. The very low percentage of people who fuck things up (loud and trashy in theaters) are what results in adverse effects for the other larger percentage of us (higher ticket prices).

You either act like everyone is potentially going to murder you for acting out your sexuality, or you act like no one is going to murder you.

You don't have to know who the one percenters are. There is a median here, you just aren't seeing it. I don't know the whole story here, noone does. They say "he innocently asked him to be his valentine" however other accounts state it was retaliatory for making fun of him. I don't know what to think. If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

[Remyo]

"One percenters" is a wordplay on the idea that most laws and legislation are created to protect 99% of society from the 1% who like to fuck it up. Of course that number fluctuates depending on the crime, but the idea here is that most people are down to earth, good people, but we still have to have an awareness of the others and protect ourselves from them. Remember the joke I made about black people and movie theaters, it was a joke, but the idea is what I was trying to get at. The very low percentage of people who fuck things up (loud and trashy in theaters) are what results in adverse effects for the other larger percentage of us (higher ticket prices).

You either act like everyone is potentially going to murder you for acting out your sexuality, or you act like no one is going to murder you.

You don't have to know who the one percenters are. There is a median here, you just aren't seeing it. I don't know the whole story here, noone does. They say "he innocently asked him to be his valentine" however other accounts state it was retaliatory for making fun of him. I don't know what to think. If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

fuck ya!

joking

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apY0zq4dHd0&watch_response

Looks like a normal kid to me.

Of all of the fucking songs to have for the background...

[Cyn]

Sure, even though none of those pictures look like they were taken in the past 5 years or so. But that's not even the point. The point is that people are attacking other people in this thread who are just as outraged over what happened, just because they feel that the boy was wrong to purposely antagonize the other boy. This situation apparently spiraled far out of control due to the fact that not one person involved took the proper steps to avoid it. Standard school policy is that when you are threatened by another child, you are supposed to report it to your teachers or counselors. Specifically to avoid situations like this. To think that the school could have eyes on every child at every moment is kind of silly on what public schools have for a budget. Had Larry King simply reported the other child for bullying him, the school would have probably been able to intervene and stop it before it came to this.

Larry King was innocent, and in no way deserved what happened to him. Stop trying to make people in this thread look like homophobes by claiming that we feel otherwise.

And for the record, the school did have a dress code. Have you researched this at all?

[Jeveh]

My last name IRL is McInerney.......Pride or shame, pride or shame.

Even though really that guy is most likely in no way related to me. I'd say what a dumb fuck. Nobody has the right to kill another person, alien (whatever the fuck that means) or anything for that matter.

[archibaldcrane]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

[Remyo]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

it didn't.

[Cyn]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

Not a chance. Publicly humiliating the bully will likely never help your cause. If you beat his ass, sure, he might leave you alone, but if you just annoy him in a passive way, he's not seeing you as a threat. I'm a bit curious as to wether or not his friends mocked him after King hit on him though.

[Lexa]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

it didn't.

Should the slight possibility that something will not work, deter people from trying, though?

[Cyn]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

it didn't.

Should the slight possibility that something will not work, deter people from trying, though?

If there's a better solution that is more likely to work? Yes.

[archibaldcrane]

If he was mature enough to ignore it, or report it to teachers, or the hundreds of other ways to help the issue he may still be alive. He (King) chose to be an enabler to the problem instead of trying to be a solution.

You realize of course that many a bully, when stood up to, will find a better doormat of a target and leave the kid that stands up to him alone. Many bullies when faced with the prospect of being hit on and emasculated in front of his friends will just pick a different target, therefore this retaliation that Larry engaged in very well could've solved the problem.

it didn't.

And there is no plan of action he could've taken that would've worked for certain. This could've worked, as could've other things. You don't know til you try, but it wasn't "a bad plan".