15 year old gay kid, killed

[ozz]

interesting, the famous one's gay too

[Kuya]

Why does it seem so common a case that gay individuals feel the need to take on traditionally female characteristics. For one, it makes no sense and it really just reinforces the gender dress of women and men, and I guess the ignorant thing to do is to say I am taking on a traditionally female role(trying to attract/being attracted to males) so I better take on as many other traditionally female roles as possible in addition.

Kid getting shot isn't right no matter what the situation, not trying to justify it, just pointing out something weird.

The fact that some homosexuals have adopted female gender norms has helped question the "naturality" of gender roles, however the downside was/is that it stereotypes all homosexuals as efeminate when that is simply not true. However it is in the best interest of some to maintain the idea that homosexuals are like women, but in male bodies, not to mention this was one of the ways homosexuals were later defined as. Meaning, homosexuals did not choose to identify with women, but rather they were identified as women by society as a whole, and from there some developed that identity. There is alot of historical information about the social construction of homosexuality, such as where in one case one of the earliest cases of society to try and define what a person who performed sodomy looked like, had led to where they found a transgender and from there on with the publicity the case got, began one of the facets from which homosexual efeminity stemed from.

[Correction]

The article points out the kid's history of retaliating to the insults and jeers (i.e. bullying) by hitting on the bullies.

The investigation isn't done yet, but so far I'm betting on this 'confession' as more of this pattern of behavior. To me, that's being bullied to death. Yeah he was murdered for being gay, but he was also provocative, confrontational and disregarded any potential for danger in a Los Angeles school. This is different from minding your own business then getting lynched.

[Jefe]

A) That reminds me of the guy who claimed he was called Sephiroth before FFVII came out.

B) What a pathetic 'critique'.

A. No opinion, you can assume w/e you want.

B. I never claimed it was magnificent.

Have fun, and try hurder nez tiem!

[Misterjingles]

McInerney was jailed on $770,000 bail on an adult murder charge that could put him behind bars for life. Prosecutors also filed a hate-crime enhancement, which could bring three more years if McInerney is found to have acted on the basis of the victim's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation.

Holy fuck 3 more years!?

I couldn't help but laugh at that part.

[Stolin]

HOW THE HELL ARE THESE KIDS GETTING A HOLD OF GUNS?!!

I don't understand why concealable guns aren't banned yet.

[Turambar]

Cue Jack Thompson blaming video games in...

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I don't understand why concealable guns aren't banned yet.

Y HALO THAR CONSTITUTION!

[Maxxthepenguin]

A) That reminds me of the guy who claimed he was called Sephiroth before FFVII came out.

B) What a pathetic 'critique'.

A. No opinion, you can assume w/e you want.

B. I never claimed it was magnificent.

Have fun, and try hurder nez tiem!

I'd rather not, very few people are worth my full effort.

You are not one of them.

[Maguspk]

Why does it seem so common a case that gay individuals feel the need to take on traditionally female characteristics. For one, it makes no sense and it really just reinforces the gender dress of women and men, and I guess the ignorant thing to do is to say I am taking on a traditionally female role(trying to attract/being attracted to males) so I better take on as many other traditionally female roles as possible in addition.

Kid getting shot isn't right no matter what the situation, not trying to justify it, just pointing out something weird.

That's something I've never quite understood myself. Even more befuddling to me is people who identify themselves as 'transgender.' I just wonder whats wrong with being a guy who likes guys and has interests usually identified by women. Why not redefine male or female for yourself.

Exactly, it's just a horrible way to go about any situation. You should just embrace who you are and not try to be something you aren't. Dressing in high heels and wearing makeup is not what any male in our society does, I don't care how much of an individual you claim to be, you aren't doing that because it feels natural you're doing it because you're confused. Besides, by adhering to these gender roles we have in society you're only reinforcing all the negative gender ranking that goes on and limiting any progress you might want to achieve. Just because you found out you're gay doesn't mean you've got to act flamboyant and reinvent yourself with opposite sex characteristics; it means you are attracted to the same sex, that's it.

I bet he wasn't even really gay, he probably just loved attention he got and was using the form of dress to evoke new emotions from his interactions. I find it hard to believe any reasonable middle schooler would do this without some sort of ulterior motive. Middle School is about the point in time when you realize, "Hey, what I do affects my social rank and I need to be fucking aware of that and not act stupid as hell unless there's a reason for it."

Why does it seem so common a case that gay individuals feel the need to take on traditionally female characteristics. For one, it makes no sense and it really just reinforces the gender dress of women and men, and I guess the ignorant thing to do is to say I am taking on a traditionally female role(trying to attract/being attracted to males) so I better take on as many other traditionally female roles as possible in addition.

Kid getting shot isn't right no matter what the situation, not trying to justify it, just pointing out something weird.

The fact that some homosexuals have adopted female gender norms has helped question the "naturality" of gender roles, however the downside was/is that it stereotypes all homosexuals as efeminate when that is simply not true. However it is in the best interest of some to maintain the idea that homosexuals are like women, but in male bodies, not to mention this was one of the ways homosexuals were later defined as. Meaning, homosexuals did not choose to identify with women, but rather they were identified as women by society as a whole, and from there some developed that identity. There is alot of historical information about the social construction of homosexuality, such as where in one case one of the earliest cases of society to try and define what a person who performed sodomy looked like, had led to where they found a transgender and from there on with the publicity the case got, began one of the facets from which homosexual efeminity stemed from.

Right, there are things we group with being traditionally feminine that ought not to be. In fact, nothing should really be split between genders, however this isn't the case in our society although maybe one day it will be. I'm discussing the case wherein somebody 'realizes' they are gay and therefore a small percent of the population and unlike some other people, so they make it a point to suddenly adopt different characteristics. This negatively impacts both sides of the situation and just degrades any sort of progress that could have been made. The discussion of things not being grouped into gender activities is a different discussion altogether, but I agree with you.

[Yuri-G]

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say he deserved to be killed.

But none of the schools I went to would even allow girls to wear makeup, earrings and high heels at age 15. That this kids parents were okay with that and that the school didn't put a stop to it should be examined as possible reasons he was bullied to death. When the warning signs of conflict at school are this fucking obvious, I can't put this kid in the same camp as Matt Shepard.

He wasn't bullied to death, the kid was shot because he told the same teenager who shot him that he liked him.

How is that not being bullied to death? He was killed by a bully for being gay, regardless of what he said to that bully.

[Lbelle]

Well I'm sure the kid that killed the gay boy will have tons of fun with all the other new gay men (that will probably make him their little bitch) he's about to meet in prison.

[Kuya]

The article points out the kid's history of retaliating to the insults and jeers (i.e. bullying) by hitting on the bullies.

The investigation isn't done yet, but so far I'm betting on this 'confession' as more of this pattern of behavior. To me, that's being bullied to death. Yeah he was murdered for being gay, but he was also provocative, confrontational and disregarded any potential for danger in a Los Angeles school. This is different from minding your own business then getting lynched.

However, the article never at the very least implies that the moment Larry said he liked the kid, that he was retaliating because Brandon might have been hazing him.

Police would not discuss McInerney's motive. But the day before the shooting, King told McInerney he liked him, eighth-grader Eduardo Segure told the Ventura County Star.

Students at E.O. Green Junior High said the other kids used to taunt King, call him names and throw wet paper towels at him in the boys' restroom, and he would bravely fire back by flirting with them and chasing them.

The article, perhaps trying to be objective, never links the two, and it is your assumption that because it was his habit to fight back with this, that it was his undoing. I could also be making an assumption here, but at the very least mine is based of the context of the article and not a deduction. With the same token, why would it be farfetched for a homosexual kid who dresses in heels and makeup to not also be unafraid of expressing his interest for another male, much like a female would do without a second thought? The article even says the kid was simply not afraid to.

And furthermore, it is no surprise me to that, though i'm not referring to you Correction, some people are sliding the culpubility onto the kid who was killed for using and dressing the way a female would, or blaming the parents/school for allowing him. Instead of blaming it on the way society reacts to the transgendered or homosexual, it's a really nice cop out people. It is no the fault of the kid/parents/school that most of you are simply incapable of looking beyond established gender/sexual orientational norms. Why blame them for your own irrationality?

Also would people stop unloading their anger on the nearest object they see? The kid who shot him is at best another victim here.

[Jefe]

A) That reminds me of the guy who claimed he was called Sephiroth before FFVII came out.

B) What a pathetic 'critique'.

A. No opinion, you can assume w/e you want.

B. I never claimed it was magnificent.

Have fun, and try hurder nez tiem!

I'd rather not, very few people are worth my full effort.

You are not one of them.

Apparently I was "worth" 2 post of yours, oh your highness. Nywas, thanks for stop riding my cock, find something else to chew on

[Maxxthepenguin]

Exactly, it's just a horrible way to go about any situation. You should just embrace who you are and not try to be something you aren't. Dressing in high heels and wearing makeup is not what any male in our society does, I don't care how much of an individual you claim to be, you aren't doing that because it feels natural you're doing it because you're confused.

No, there I think that it's just because they want to. I have no problem with it aside from being kind of weirded out, but I can deal with that.

Besides, by adhering to these gender roles we have in society you're only reinforcing all the negative gender ranking that goes on and limiting any progress you might want to achieve. Just because you found out you're gay doesn't mean you've got to act flamboyant and reinvent yourself with opposite sex characteristics; it means you are attracted to the same sex, that's it.

No, that's not just it, there are certain characteristics, mental habits, and instincts that are different between male and female.

I find it hard to believe any reasonable middle schooler would do this without some sort of ulterior motive

Since when did you find any middle schooler that is really reasonable? Hell, most people aren't reasonable.

You can't say that the guy who shot him was reasonable at all.

People aren't reasonable.

[Kaylia]

Not that I'm trying to justify murder, I hope that kid get the life sentence he deserves, but that Larry guy was looking for trouble. Being gay doesnt allow you to be retarded. Also, school [and parent ] should have put some restriction on its clothing, it's obvious it was causing problem to let thing that way.

Either way, knowing how cruel kids are, the story was probably fucked up from the start. Lot of people are to be blamed for that one

This is why enforcing the dress code and imposing school uniforms are important.

I sincerely believe it should be like this everywhere. It would save parents ton of money, and prevent many social problems.

[Maxxthepenguin]

A) That reminds me of the guy who claimed he was called Sephiroth before FFVII came out.

B) What a pathetic 'critique'.

A. No opinion, you can assume w/e you want.

B. I never claimed it was magnificent.

Have fun, and try hurder nez tiem!

I'd rather not, very few people are worth my full effort.

You are not one of them.

Apparently I was "worth" 2 post of yours, oh your highness. Nywas, thanks for stop riding my cock, find something else to chew on

Nywas, thanks for stop stupid being.

wat

[Ryko]

He can suck dick in hell!

[Maguspk]

Besides, by adhering to these gender roles we have in society you're only reinforcing all the negative gender ranking that goes on and limiting any progress you might want to achieve. Just because you found out you're gay doesn't mean you've got to act flamboyant and reinvent yourself with opposite sex characteristics; it means you are attracted to the same sex, that's it.

No, that's not just it, there are certain characteristics, mental habits, and instincts that are different between male and female.

I don't think dressing a certain way is instinctual. Yes there are things other people might do but they shouldn't necessarily be coupled with sexual orientation, it's a mistake society makes by associating anything besides sexual orientation with sexual orientation.

[Kuya]

Exactly, it's just a horrible way to go about any situation. You should just embrace who you are and not try to be something you aren't. Dressing in high heels and wearing makeup is not what any male in our society does, I don't care how much of an individual you claim to be, you aren't doing that because it feels natural you're doing it because you're confused. Besides, by adhering to these gender roles we have in society you're only reinforcing all the negative gender ranking that goes on and limiting any progress you might want to achieve. Just because you found out you're gay doesn't mean you've got to act flamboyant and reinvent yourself with opposite sex characteristics; it means you are attracted to the same sex, that's it.

I bet he wasn't even really gay, he probably just loved attention he got and was using the form of dress to evoke new emotions from his interactions. I find it hard to believe any reasonable middle schooler would do this without some sort of ulterior motive. Middle School is about the point in time when you realize, "Hey, what I do affects my social rank and I need to be fucking aware of that and not act stupid as hell unless there's a reason for it."

You make the assumption that no man would want to act that way, seeing as how you can argue that women are just as confused for using makeup/heels, since it's not natural for them either. Not to mention you also make assumptions that perhaps he wasn't in fact efeminate, just the same as a heterosexual can be efeminate but not homosexual. You then make the assumption that he wasn't gay, and i already mentioned why this type of behaviour can be positive. I don't think you agree with me at all.

[Koga]

To each their own.

I wear makeup. I'm certainly not drag, but I do wear some makeup if there is an occasion to. I dressed up when I was a kid.

All the same though.. even if the kid was confused. Since when is killing someone the answer. I had this one girl tell me she liked me and I was like GTFO.. not crack out a gun and shoot her.