15 year old gay kid, killed

[Jefe]

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Whoo hooo!

The dude said he doesn't have time for your shit. You can shut up now.

Well, well, if it ain't "Deejay," to teh rescue, hows the good ol ecksbucksthreesixtee? Is it dead yet? I knew he was going to fagot out (see the post below yours). I'll man up and ignore you, since you obviously can't, Maxxdawgtehpenguin. Yall have a nice day, you hear sirs?

/rerail Again, horrible and unnecessary violence.

Edit: Page git for teh glory.

[Kuya]

Nope, sorry, not going for this. Fuck the kid that shot him.
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No, you're not getting what i'm saying. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, i just don't think he should be tried as an adult as i've already explained before. Not to mention he is basicaly just a scapegoat. And let me put it this way, this sacrifice does not sufficient. If i allow people to unload the blame solely on that kid, they will be ignoring the real problems, much like some are intent on focusing on how the kid should have acted normal as to not attract attention to himself and they inadvertively end up blaming the kid who got killed. That he get punished for muder is evident; that he be the focus of the outrage, no.

Uh, a scapegoat that's dangerous and unstable enough to kill someone. No matter why he did it, unless it was for self defense, it means he cannot be trusted to make the reasonable and sane decision not to kill someone. So the only choice is to lock him up for good so we don't have to worry about it ever again.

You can't trust anyone to make a reasonable and sane decision to not kill someone, at the very least most people. And implying that he did this because there is something inherently wrong with him diverts attention from the fact that western society(and others) is intolerant, to the point of madness.

If Larry King would flirt with the boys who teased him, isn't that a form a sexual harassment? No one deserved to die, but I think it's fair to declare that both sides were at fault here.

No more than when men hit on women, and if they get accused of sexual harassment for doing it out of malice or just because they actually do like the girl, the inmediate public reaction is that the chick was a bitch. Also, the kid did that to them because they were teasing him in the first place, you could say two wrongs don't make a right, but the scale is sort of in the gay kid's favour here.

[Maxxthepenguin]

stuff

Whoo hooo!

The dude said he doesn't have time for your shit. You can shut up now.

Well, well, if it ain't "Deejay," to teh rescue, hows the good ol ecksbucksthreesixtee? Is it dead yet? I knew he was going to fagot out (see the post below yours). I'll man up and ignore you, since you obviously can't, Maxxdawgtehpenguin. Yall have a nice day, you hear sirs?

/rerail Again, horrible and unnecessary violence.

Edit: Page git for teh glory.

I never said I'd stop responding, but you never got my full attention.

Nice attempt at a rerail without commenting on the conversation that never got derailed or really saying anything worthwhile. Grats on the page get, I know how important those things are.

[Akiyama]

stuff

Whoo hooo!

The dude said he doesn't have time for your shit. You can shut up now.

Well, well, if it ain't "Deejay," to teh rescue, hows the good ol ecksbucksthreesixtee? Is it dead yet? I knew he was going to fagot out (see the post below yours). I'll man up and ignore you, since you obviously can't, Maxxdawgtehpenguin. Yall have a nice day, you hear sirs?

/rerail Again, horrible and unnecessary violence.

Edit: Page git for teh glory.

I'm sorry, but I'm smart and I can usually decode messages such as these, but what the hell are you saying..? Are you trying to act black or something? I'm honestly not trying to derail, but I have to understand a post before I can honestly respond to it.

[Khamsin]

On a side note, it's funny how intolerant kids are these days, compared to the generation of their parents. It's almost like the grandparent's generation all over again. I'm turning 29 this year and a lot of people in my age range are settling down and having families. I know a lot of people in my generation are very tolerant and accepting of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Hell, I lived in the dorms at UW and knew several gay guys, from obvious to wouldn't-know-unless-you-asked. Nobody had any problems, or felt the need to hide it or flaunt it. These are the people raising those kids, like the one that shot Larry King. You'd think the kids would emulate the parents or something and be equally accepting. But they're not. So we've got intolerant grandparents, tolerant parents, and intolerant kids. Maybe their kids will be tolerant again.

[Maguspk]

Uh, tolerance is without a doubt improving. Isolated cases of course don't express it effectively, but as a whole generations are becoming more and more tolerant of what the previous generation may not have been.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Uh, tolerance is without a doubt improving. Isolated cases of course don't express it effectively, but as a whole generations are becoming more and more tolerant of what the previous generation may not have been.

This is absolutely true. People may use the word 'fag' more but its usually pretty meaningless in the context people use. There will always be discomfort with what is unfamiliar and different, but people mean well and are in general more tolerant more often. The increased tolerance has also made the intolerant more vocal, so that is what you're probably seeing Khamsin.

[isladar]

First impression: regardless of the child's sexual orientation or gender, why was he engaging and professing to such an adult, sexualized idea/lifestyle? He was thirteen. I do understand that heterosexual boys become interested in sex around that age.. however the step from fantasizing alone to "HOOO BOY HOWDY DO I ENJOY PUSSY" -type advertising usually waits until at least highschool. And certainly not on such a loud scale until they're in a fraternity. It has come to the point that society no longer has to work to sexualize children, they're doing it for themselves.

Oh, remember that thread about sexual harassment? It applies here.

Secondly, while we can try to extrapolate on the motives / psychological state / discomfort / etc. of the both the victim and the perpetrator, the simple fact is that he chose to shoot another human being.

[Khamsin]

Uh, tolerance is without a doubt improving. Isolated cases of course don't express it effectively, but as a whole generations are becoming more and more tolerant of what the previous generation may not have been.

Hm, something interesting to think about: Consider how intolerant people were in our parent's generation, our grandparent's generation, and keep going back... hell, just look at the Victorian era. Imagine how intolerant people were even a couple hundred years before that. Or even further back, to the Middle Ages. Or even further back, in Christ's time, or in ancient Egyptian times.

We can extrapolate from that just how bad things were for people of different races, religions, sexual orientation, etc. back in the early human neanderthal days. They probably stoned you just for being left handed.

Now, let's extrapolate the other way. In another few hundred years, nobody will care about anything and we'll all be one giant nudist colony with a single mutt race because everyone intermarried, and of a single religion because all the religions combined their beliefs into one. And everyone'll be bisexual.

[Doofus]

First off, when you guys say the majority of gays take on these roles, you are wrong. I'd say its about half, the others can(don't act feminine, therefor wont be suspect) and most of the times choose to stay in the closet and/or don't go around telling people unless asked, and i'll tell you why i believe this. Every relationship needs a masculine and a feminine half(very few can exist with two of one type but they do happen), even gay/lesbian ones.

Also, everyone in this thread saying homosexuality bothers them, i'd wager 90% of you like lesbian porn. You people need to be taken out back and stoned for being such massive hypocrites.

Personally I don't like feminine males that much, for one they give us the stereotypes as annoying and make people(like some in this thread) think that most/all of us are like that, which is so far from the truth its not even funny.

This kid should've been slapped in the face for hitting on that guy sure, and obvious murder is bad and stuff. I have tons of straight friends who I think are hot as hell, but I won't hit on them, thats asking for trouble and further pushes us gays back into the stereotypes that hold us back and makes me angry.

First impression: regardless of the child's sexual orientation or gender, why was he engaging and professing to such an adult, sexualized idea/lifestyle? He was thirteen. I do understand that heterosexual boys become interested in sex around that age.. however the step from fantasizing alone to "HOOO BOY HOWDY DO I ENJOY PUSSY" -type advertising usually waits until at least highschool. And certainly not on such a loud scale until they're in a fraternity. It has come to the point that society no longer has to work to sexualize children, they're doing it for themselves.

Oh, remember that thread about sexual harassment? It applies here.

Secondly, while we can try to extrapolate on the motives / psychological state / discomfort / etc. of the both the victim and the perpetrator, the simple fact is that he chose to shoot another human being.

I'm sorry, what planet have you been a resident of >.> Every guy i've ever known wants to get laid the second a hair beaks the surface. The same holds true for gays.

[Correction]

I think you overestimate the ability of adolescents to be tolerant of one another. Kids growing up are little different than pack animals and will find any minor difference and deem it weak and unworthy of acceptance.

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Growing up is learning how to survive this existence in the case where you're on the unpopular side of the skub/anti-skub fence. This poor kid wasn't given enough protection from where he stood. Flamboyant confrontation + intolerant bullies + weak school/parental discipline + egregiously bad campus security = shooting. There's the full equation for you. There was never any one 'root' cause of this crime. I could rewrite that article in the context of rival gangs and the picture would become clearer I reckon.

[isladar]

"Wants to" and advertising that want are two entirely separate things.

[Doofus]

"Wants to" and advertising that want are two entirely separate things.

You obviously didn't sit with the guys at lunch time(or you did so they didnt say it in front of you), believe me if you were hot they were talking about wanting to nail you to all their friends.

[isladar]

To friends, yes. That is a 'safe', non-threatening audience. I meant "advertising" in the sense of broadcasting that desire to the intended recipient.

[Akiyama]

"Wants to" and advertising that want are two entirely separate things.

You obviously didn't sit with the guys at lunch time(or you did so they didnt say it in front of you), believe me if you were hot they were talking about wanting to nail you to all their friends.

Sadly this is true. Hell, I've heard of kids losing their virginity or at least close to it by middle school nowadays. The way kids are growing up so fast is scary, really. I remember back in 7th grade talking about how I wanted to nail Britney Spears and what not. (When I look back at this now, I sort of gag, but she was hot back then.) Same goes for some of the other girls at the school, was just the way things were. Now kids have matured in that sense even quicker, and to be honest.. it's making me sick to my stomach.

There are dress codes in place where I'm from where you can't wear these skimpy, short skirts, but I'm sure in large, populated cities, certain codes may not exist. I just think people are wanting to grow up too quick is all.

[Kuya]

Incidently, whenever i go jogging i usually get harassed by guys for what i assume is because i wear jogger shorts and a midly tight jogger shirt/vest thingy, the only diference between me and this Larry kid is that i deludedly assume the female harassement i receive is positive, and i don't ferociously chase after these guys with my lascivious legs and violently teabag the jackasses for their arrogance.

I do understand that heterosexual boys become interested in sex around that age.. however the step from fantasizing alone to "HOOO BOY HOWDY DO I ENJOY PUSSY" -type advertising usually waits until at least highschool

HO HO HO, HOW WRONG YOU ARE

[BIGSTIC]

Not that the kid with the gun shouldnt be punnished but I want to meet his parrents. I would assume that they are some right wing anti gay people that told there son he would burn in hell if a gay kid liked him. At 13 you are more like your parents than almost any other time. By 16 you have a car and freedom so you rebel against your parrents but at 13 most the kids I know are dead on just like their parrents. If mommy and daddy told him gays shold die can you really balme the kid for killing him?

Mabey I am dead wrong but parrents need to take more responsibility for their children.

[Deejay]

If Larry King would flirt with the boys who teased him, isn't that a form a sexual harassment? No one deserved to die, but I think it's fair to declare that both sides were at fault here.

No more than when men hit on women, and if they get accused of sexual harassment for doing it out of malice or just because they actually do like the girl, the inmediate public reaction is that the chick was a bitch. Also, the kid did that to them because they were teasing him in the first place, you could say two wrongs don't make a right, but the scale is sort of in the gay kid's favour here.

No different than men hitting on women? How could you say that? You think that Larry didn't know that touching/flirting with the boys that were teasing him would be unwanted? When most normal men hit on women, they do it because of the slight chance that their advances allow them to go on a date with the women they desire. Larry knew his actions were unwanted, and that's why he did what he did.

I'm not saying he's the only one at fault, I just think that his way of handling the situation was a little off, and could have been a reason why he was shot.

I mean shit.... in Jamaica (and now Mexico i'm seeing) you can get shot just on the "assumption" that you're gay, forget actually hitting on straight men in public. He wouldn't have even made it home from school if he did that in Jamaica. I feel bad for him and his family, but if my son were in that situation I would have slapped him and told him that he should know better than to hit on the boys who are teasing him. It only adds fuel to the fire and give the bullies more of a reason to hurt him in the future.

[pohibaba]

Prosecutors also filed a hate-crime enhancement, which could bring three more years if McInerney is found to have acted on the basis of the victim's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation.

This is the worst part of this whole thing for me. Hate crime laws are one of the most unconstitutional and immoral (and overlooked) parts of our justice system. They're literally punishing you for your thoughts.

[Izzy]

I'm bothered that the gay kid was teasing the others. Granted he shouldn't have been killed for it...but the guy didn't really save his own life by egging some other people on.