NA Market for Games.

[DarkMessenger31]

So, why is it that the American market of games all get left out of "Special/Deluxe Editions" of games, JP/EU market's get all types of remade games. I.E. KH:Final Mix / KH2+: Final Mix. Other things like bundle packs and limited editions of certain games. Either we never see them, or they come out months after the original making those of us who would have bought the Ltd./Deluxe Editions in the first place, have to resell our originals and get the ltd. Editions. (Of course there are other options, like keep the original and say "fk the ltd edition", but sometimes the extras involved are too good to pass up). Is it just the JP/EU market think that we're not interested, or is it the NA Game Developers/Publishing Companies that say. "We're not printing that sh*t twice! We'll lose lolprofit!" --- Mainly I just want opinions or even fact based evaluations. I'd like to know why we're left out of all the nice extras in game redo's or Ltd Editions/Bundles.

[izembo]

we actually do get tons of them, but most times its the crap like a metal tin and behind the scenes making of dvd type crap.

[Appie]

Don't praise the EU too much, we get shafted on way too much due to translations to French and German -about time EU gets 1 language (English!) besides 1 currency. A fuckload of PS2 RPG's never even came to Europe or very, very late after the USA release. For example FFX came out here a year after the original FFX release in Japan and they got the International version of the game when Europe got their "normal" version, but that normal version was equal to the International version. I doubt we'd have that extra content if Europe got their version like 6 months before the International version got released. I wouldn't be surprised the games you listed had the same delay as FFX for Europe.

So yeah, don't praise Europe too much, there's a reason besides the cheap ass dollar that I import games from the USA and Japan.

[Shuemue]

No shit, EU gets stiffed on game releases.

[DarkMessenger31]

Hmm, didn't really know that. Now that you mention it the PAL Versions of games normally do take a lot longer to release. Wasn't trying to praise the market, I dunno though if I was you guys I'd be a little happier you got the International Version rather than the normal one. I'd have liked the added content for NA. -- It'd seem then that both the EU and NA market get screwed on the Special stuff. Then again, I think it's just the NA/EU Publishing Companies that don't wish to reprint something, simply cause they don't believe it'll be worth it profit-wise. -- I for one would defintely buy a JP Console/Games if I could read/speak the language. Not to mention alot of the JP Market games never even see the light of day here (mainly due to the content of the game and the markets going "WHO THE FUCK WOULD BUY THAT?!") It's nice to get insight on these things. To know that NA isn't the only market not getting things. -- Doubt we'd be able to purpose these things to a publisher, however, for larger selling games like FF and KH, and the many others that sell millions and millions of copies upon release, I think an effort should have been made to publish the re-releases of the + or International Versions for all markets, that way we all get to see things for what they are instead of having to scour sites like YouTube for the Special Content (most of the time poorly translated). Bleh, I'm ranting again. I'll stop, but keep the opinions coming. I'm having a good time reading this and finding common ground amoung people not only in the NA Market, but the EU market too.

[Arcana]

The only reason PAL gamers get additional features does tend to be because of the long time between releases. rock band is the latest game that europeans are being shafted over, games been delayed 3+ times, but we're getting an extra 6-8 exclusive songs for our trouble. its personal preference i'd prefer just to get the game. but in MMOs which arnt region specific like WoW, EUs do get shafted pretty hard. but hey we got zilart & cop right?

[Darus Grey]

Ignoring JP supremecy theories reason JP gets better special editions than the rest rest of the world is because of a near lack of shipping costs. Those huge boxes full of "goodies"(that cost pennies to make!) don't have any significant shipping fees associated with them.

It's all about the $$$$$. Just like anything else.

[DarkMessenger31]

Agreed, if there's no money in it. People won't bother with it. Well, on a brighterside, the JP market sells all the "Goodies" on EBay. Guess that's one way to get ripped :D It's no bother by me to get them that way, I guess my issue is the extra content (while the EU market'll get the extra songs. Guaranteed, they'll be put up in the XBox Live Marketplace for 800pts or some crap like that.) Though, I can't deny getting them for free isn't cool. Seems that it's just the fact that the NA/EU market doesn't want to invest in the "Goodie" boxes and Remakes w/ Extra Content. - Least we get some. And now, World Wide releases for games are becoming far more popular, so perhaps we'll get to see the light of some of the future bundles, who knows.

[Karbuncle]

One Can only hope, some of the bundles they did for the FF games and Kingdom hearts were amazing, getting my hands on one would be Nice, Maybe in the future they will indeed begin releasing these nice goodies with the games, much like how they gave us a giant helm with Halo 3 XD.

Or back in the Days of Lunar, The Necklace that came with the game, which was a nice collectable.

[Akucaen]

It's the same reason we getting better than JP release games and they turn around and get releases. Think RE4. The US RE4 had a bunch of stuff the JP RE4 didn't have, but then they turned around and made more content for the PS2 version release. (We being the US in this case.)

From my time here in the UK, it's the same when they bother. A few tidbits and extras over US versions, but mostly it seems to be 1:1 with the obvious extra languages.

[DarkMessenger31]

Aye, RE4 was a game of remakes. The Wii Version was overkill, was pointless to re-release it for Wii, it was a marketing ploy. Most people just bought it to get rid of their old versions. --- Yah I own both Lunar PSOne Games, unfortunately, one of my brother lost the Necklace, but I still have everything else from it. I also have the Growlanser Generations Deluxe Pack. Came with a nice watch I wear. -- I'm not saying we dont get ANYTHING, just since when did our FF Games come w/ a 60 Page Book depicting the history of the games environment and Bonus DVD's and Art Books >_>, I mean some games come with them, but NA/EU markets do get the least of all the Goodies.

[Julian]

The people who refuse to let games be remade in the US (especially old games that aren't sold anymore and are ported to newer systems) just because they don't have 25% new additional content or some retarded shit need to be fucking shot and killed, fuck you whoever you are, fuck you fuck you fuck you

[Exoduso]

The people who refuse to let games be remade in the US (especially old games that aren't sold anymore and are ported to newer systems) just because they don't have 25% new additional content or some retarded shit need to be fucking shot and killed, fuck you whoever you are, fuck you fuck you fuck you

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.

[Appie]

I dunno though if I was you guys I'd be a little happier you got the International Version rather than the normal one.

In the case of FFX I'd rather have the USA version than the EU "international" version. I never used the extra content but did have to look at 50hz with widescreen borders, since SE was too lazy to convert the game properly from the NA version.

[DarkMessenger31]

Yeah, that probably would have irritated me if I didn't have a WS TV. And I didn't at the time, so I understand your frusteration there.

I actually have another topic of conversation that I'd like to start, but I don't feel the necessity to start a new Post. -- I was thinking of starting a petition to get FF7 Remade for PS3, since you know, every FF Fan in existence wants to see it Redone. If anyone knows of someone doing this already that's cool too. Post a link. --

Back to the topic at hand. I did a little research myself on the topic (not that the information is 100% reliable), but it seems that I was correct, most NA Publishers don't wish to reprint "2nd Releases" of games due to the lack of profit it would bring. Stating they believe no one is going to purchase the same game twice for a similar price. --- I dunno who they got their information from, but the only thing comes to mind is the Penny Arcade comic w/ the Xbox 360 Reverse Compatability games demographic lol.

[Maxxthepenguin]

My answer: America has shown that it proudly prefers to buy the same game with a new title as opposed to the same game with a slightly longer title.

[Julian]

I actually have another topic of conversation that I'd like to start, but I don't feel the necessity to start a new Post. -- I was thinking of starting a petition to get FF7 Remade for PS3, since you know, every FF Fan in existence wants to see it Redone. If anyone knows of someone doing this already that's cool too. Post a link. --

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[izembo]

ff7 remake for ps3 would be awesome if they did it exactly the same and maybe added multiplayer in gold saucer.

[Correction]

I actually have another topic of conversation that I'd like to start, but I don't feel the necessity to start a new Post. -- I was thinking of starting a petition to get FF7 Remade for PS3, since you know, every FF Fan in existence wants to see it Redone. If anyone knows of someone doing this already that's cool too. Post a link. --

GameFAQs message boards thataway ?

Not every fan in existence wants FF7 remade. If I want to play FF7 I'm perfectly happy to play the copy I still have for my playstation.

Aren't the existing spinoffs enough for the sephiroth/cloud fans? Do you really want SE to turn Cloud and Company into another Mario, or Madden?

[DarkMessenger31]

I don't want Cloud and Co. to become a "franchise" in themselves. And really Cloud is a Mascot for SE, anytime someone mentions Square it's Final Fantasy (and mainly cloud) people recall. Madden.. no, just no. I've gotten everything in the Compilation of FF7 Series, and yes I still have my PSOne game, and I agree with the not changing a DAMN thing but upgrading the graphics, I don't need anything new, if they wanna throw in a few other CS's from the past, ok whatever, but I don't need extra content. The original gameplay is completely perfect and I'd love to see all the CS's/Battles from the PSOne in NextGen Graphics.

I will say I bought FF7: Crisis Core for PSP and I've been unable to divert away from it. Even while I'm playing FFXI, I have my PSP in hand playing. I'm actually glad it wasn't complete crap like most sequels/prequels. FF7: DoC got a lot of crap, and I agree the story was quite short and it wasn't all that great as far as replay went. -- I'd wager it'd outsell Halo3 :D -- And Imagine what it would do for PS3 Sales. Sony should be on this shit, bidding to SE and FF7 people for it. PS3 + FF7 Remade = $$ After all it's what any industry is about.. Money!

And yeah, NA Games will buy the same game, over and over and over again. Case and Point .. Ninja Gaiden. Remade 3 times.. for the SAME system, each time with just a little more added content. Growlanser/Lunar, released with nice additional content and beautiful extras and goodies.

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--- BTW, I love how this is a civilized conversation. If I'd have posted it anywhere else, I'm sure it would have been filled with stupidity. It's nice to actually talk to people with common sense and above par comprehension than a Pre-schooler's vocabulary.