Logging Cell usage for Zhaylom 1f Madame

[Kaylia]

We've always killed the mamool when we do this just because we assumed (apparently now, incorrectly) that it counted as a mob in the wing that needed to be killed to pop madame.

Killing isn't a bad idea either. Take 40sec, and avoid the chance someone aggro it by mistake (happen pretty much every time) and drop some nice med at time.

[Wizerd]

We've always killed the mamool when we do this just because we assumed (apparently now, incorrectly) that it counted as a mob in the wing that needed to be killed to pop madame.

Killing isn't a bad idea either. Take 40sec, and avoid the chance someone aggro it by mistake (happen pretty much every time) and drop some nice med at time.

We always thought you had to kill the Mamool Ja too.. but you guys said you've only done 1F once - are you 100% sure you don't need to kill the Mamool? <_<

[Lordwafik]

and like Kaylia said, why waste time killing the Mamool when it takes 1s to use invisible and fight the Ziz in their own room?

Fanatics drinks <3

[Judai]

We've always killed the mamool when we do this just because we assumed (apparently now, incorrectly) that it counted as a mob in the wing that needed to be killed to pop madame.

Killing isn't a bad idea either. Take 40sec, and avoid the chance someone aggro it by mistake (happen pretty much every time) and drop some nice med at time.

We always thought you had to kill the Mamool Ja too.. but you guys said you've only done 1F once - are you 100% sure you don't need to kill the Mamool? <_<

We have done it once like this and didn't kill the Mamool. 100% positive you don't need to kill it to pop Madame.

[mdkuser]

we always do 1F madamme, and pop the Silversea card NM, cause we need more 15s. When the frog is charm happy... It takes 25 minutes, if it is a nice frog, takes 20. Also, after the gent, we have everyone type /logout and press enter at the same time, wait 10 sec then come back. The madamme pops instantly after the last person has loged out, I confirmed it myself.

[Wizerd]

we always do 1F madamme, and pop the Silversea card NM, cause we need more 15s. When the frog is charm happy... It takes 25 minutes, if it is a nice frog, takes 20. Also, after the gent, we have everyone type /logout and press enter at the same time, wait 10 sec then come back. The madamme pops instantly after the last person has loged out, I confirmed it myself.

No need to make them wait 10sec after logout. The logout -> login process is long enough that even if someone is several seconds behind on the log out, it'll still pop.

[Kaylia]

We always thought you had to kill the Mamool Ja too.. but you guys said you've only done 1F once - are you 100% sure you don't need to kill the Mamool? <_<

Pretty sure. Our rdm aggroed it back on the way to teleport. Added another 1-2 min of confusion since alliance was spread all around the place.

[LordBane]

can confirm as well, clearing wing with mamool alive still pops gent.

Kill mamool if ur too lazy to powder/invis

edit: 5F AR chariot still dropping useless marduk hands have yet to see hikazu in 40+ runs

[Alibeemac]

We've never attempted the 1F frog yet, not really had any need. Last run we cleared 3F for someone's 15 Morrigan Hands, Cleared 5F frog then cleared 6F frog and had over 15 mins left on the clock. If people need stuff from 4F we send in a small group of 6 to it and make sure there are 3 people in the group needing all 3 100% drops. Never had an issue popping/killing 4F in under 30mins.

1F just seems too complicated and not worth the time and effort for it.

[Aemora]

With 6 people, a faaaaaaaaaaar better option is to just kill the 4 inner rooms and clear the Bugards. Once Bugards and Gent is dead, have everyone log out there whilst the last person runs after Madame. Once the madame is up, this person uses his/her cells and pulls Madame (Mnk Chi Blast hai2), and whilst everoyne is coming back in-game, you bring the madame to them (of course, bit jewed if it opens with Sleepga or Bind, but the majority of the times it will be either Fire 4 or Blaze Spikes), and by the time everyone is logged back in and partied up, the madame and you should reach them. Then it's a case of passing the Madame off of the group whilst another person runs to the Ziz porter. It sounds longer than it actually is, plus this way it gives you lots of kiting room should it get Chorus off on the group (Kite all the way to the start, then all the way to the porter room).

[tymora]

Madame never failed to pop at the zone entry corridor for us. It never popped in the same room as the chest. We always keep our thf locked.

1F just seems too complicated and not worth the time and effort for it.

1F is for you to go after the Zhayolm 15s without wasting a run going after 4FN.

[Wizerd]

With 6 people, a faaaaaaaaaaar better option is to just kill the 4 inner rooms and clear the Bugards. Once Bugards and Gent is dead, have everyone log out there whilst the last person runs after Madame. Once the madame is up, this person uses his/her cells and pulls Madame (Mnk Chi Blast hai2), and whilst everoyne is coming back in-game, you bring the madame to them (of course, bit jewed if it opens with Sleepga or Bind, but the majority of the times it will be either Fire 4 or Blaze Spikes), and by the time everyone is logged back in and partied up, the madame and you should reach them. Then it's a case of passing the Madame off of the group whilst another person runs to the Ziz porter. It sounds longer than it actually is, plus this way it gives you lots of kiting room should it get Chorus off on the group (Kite all the way to the start, then all the way to the porter room).

6 people seems, unfortunately, to be the only way 1F madame is more efficient. You have to kill the first and third rooms on 3F anyway, and with 7 or more people, it takes less time to just kill the long room and madame than it does to clear a wing on 1F, the gent, and then the madame. If you get up to ~12 people and you're basically clearing a wing anyway, then 1F becomes more efficient again.

3FS is also nice for the drinks off the rampart; guaranteed 2x Barb's, Fighter's, Oracle's, and Assassin's, with chance of Fanatic's, Revitilizer, Megalixir, or Mana Boost I think is what we've seen in there.

[Spekkio]

has anyone actually seen 15's like the usu feet drop off of the first floor? so far i've only seen neiman's cuffs and enyo's gloves x2, all 3 were drops from the meiser wing of the 3rd floor. my group is starting to disbelieve that it can drop the usu feet 15, but i hate to waste a run going for the 4th floor frog if we can get them for free.

[Soraan]

Question if anyone can answer. Since we are almost outta SSR cards (only 1 left), and I JUST got Macha's slops (woo), how plausible is it to do:

1st Floor Madame > 2nd Floor Madame > 3rd Floor South Madame > 5th Floor Madame > 6th Floor Madame > Boss?

Personally, I don't wanna screw people out of getting 35 drops from 6th floor madame to just have a chance at getting a 25 to complete my legs (which we've never had drop before >.>). How many people would be required to do all madames + boss you think? Maybe can split up on 2nd floor to save a little time of running around if we bring 8-9 people? Might require killing an extra couple mobs on first floor, but could make that up + some on later floors by killing NQ mobs faster?

Any tips are appreciated.

[Ferien]

has anyone actually seen 15's like the usu feet drop off of the first floor? so far i've only seen neiman's cuffs and enyo's gloves x2, all 3 were drops from the meiser wing of the 3rd floor. my group is starting to disbelieve that it can drop the usu feet 15, but i hate to waste a run going for the 4th floor frog if we can get them for free.

Yes, it drops the boots. Pray harder.

[jibini]

Speaking of the drops, BGWiki says it's a 100% drop.

My shell is definitely 0/2 on it, so don't believe that.

[mdkuser]

Question if anyone can answer. Since we are almost outta SSR cards (only 1 left), and I JUST got Macha's slops (woo), how plausible is it to do:

1st Floor Madame > 2nd Floor Madame > 3rd Floor South Madame > 5th Floor Madame > 6th Floor Madame > Boss?

Personally, I don't wanna screw people out of getting 35 drops from 6th floor madame to just have a chance at getting a 25 to complete my legs (which we've never had drop before >.>). How many people would be required to do all madames + boss you think? Maybe can split up on 2nd floor to save a little time of running around if we bring 8-9 people? Might require killing an extra couple mobs on first floor, but could make that up + some on later floors by killing NQ mobs faster?

Any tips are appreciated.

very possible. We do that with 10 min left when frogs are nice, a few mins left if they aren't nice! But 1F+ all NMs is definately easy. To save time, be sure your group don't take more than 25 min on 1F. On 2F have rdm+ 1 monk kill the frog while the other go farm, 3F pull like mad the 3 rooms, and you'll have a lot of time left after.

And the drop rate on 1F is definately not 100%, but quite high. Something like 75% for us.

[Alibeemac]

Madame never failed to pop at the zone entry corridor for us. It never popped in the same room as the chest. We always keep our thf locked.

1F just seems too complicated and not worth the time and effort for it.

1F is for you to go after the Zhayolm 15s without wasting a run going after 4FN.

Not really a wasted run imo if we are sending 3 people needing each of the 100% drop from 4F N to complete a piece since from what I understand 1F isn't 100% drop? Or am I wrong about that? We always see it as 3 completed pieces in one run > chance at a 1F 15 that might drop for someone who needs and then going onwards to farm the no dropping 6F whore.

[Spekkio]

not remotely 100%. i'd guess it to be something like 50%, maybe lower. so far we've seen 2 ares hands, 1 morg hands (just need the 25 now! /dance!) and 1 marduk legs (most recently. from the last first floor we killed i think.) out of i'd guess about 8+ trials on the first floor froggeh. it's nice because sometimes you can save a wasted run, but it's just not consistent.

[Kaylia]

To answer the 20minutes debate. We went with 6 today and completed 1st floor (including madame) in 24 minutes. Considering we got charmed twice, forgot to send someone to portal, and skipped only 2 mobs in the 4 inner room, I would say 20min is perfectly doable with a 6men team.

Timed out on mega at 20% tho. Got hit by 6-7 times by frog songs.