Marduk Set best for which job?

[Prep]

I am trying to figure this out and i wanted to compare a full marduk set to other pieces available. I know it is not the best for smn cause I am a smn and see much better equip combos for it. What about Whms or Brds what do you think? This is about the full set and not individual pieces of the marduk set.

[aurik]

The only job that should be using the complete set is bard, and even that is iffy. The pieces in the set are really best used for mix-n-match, as the set bonus is a bit underwhelming.

[Tsukasaz]

The only job that should be using the complete set is bard, and even that is iffy. The pieces in the set are really best used for mix-n-match, as the set bonus is a bit underwhelming.

This.

Feet are nice for WHM, BRD I guess occasionally, I forget if they give singing or string... SMN have AF2 feet.
Legs are nice for BRD, but they can just as easily use AF1+1. SMN, I think AF1 is better, personally. Not really good for WHM, but they're cute.
Hands... sorry, I think this piece is shit, CHR build on BRD? lol
Body, SMN, no. WHM.. fast cast I guess? I don't see why some WHMs find this piece appealing. It's really nice for BRD though.
Head is nice for SMN and BRD, WHM have a lot of better choices.

For SMN I really would only use the head.

[Prep]

ok on the topic of the body why would it be better than the alt. for whm nobles or brd she'ikh(sp?), yigit?

[Tsukasaz]

ok on the topic of the body why would it be better than the alt. for whm nobles or brd she'ikh(sp?), yigit?

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Well, it's not good for SMN at all honestly.
BRD: it's better than yigit and sha'ir because it has Refresh.
WHM: It's not better than noble's, it's a stoneskin/fast cast piece.

[aurik]

Body piece is almost completely wasted on a good whm. Cleric/Blessed/Aristo is a very potent combo for almost every spell that WHM casts already. I suppose you could macro it in for a slightly faster haste cycle if you enjoy micromanaging...

[Dammerung]

Body piece is almost completely wasted on a good whm. Cleric/Blessed/Aristo is a very potent combo for almost every spell that WHM casts already. I suppose you could macro it in for a slightly faster haste cycle if you enjoy micromanaging...

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[Tsukasaz]

Body piece is almost completely wasted on a good whm. Cleric/Blessed/Aristo is a very potent combo for almost every spell that WHM casts already. I suppose you could macro it in for a slightly faster haste cycle if you enjoy micromanaging...

Yeah... it's pretty much BRD only unless your WHM or SMN doesn't have anything else to upgrade really.

[Uzor]

Only reason I'd want full Marduk is for epeen and fast-casting Raise or Reraise. Really wouldn't bother/want to macro it in every 3 min for Haste... Besides, I'd say Convert MP gear is better to macro in for those spells.

The order for WHM goes feet > head > body > legs/hands, imo.

[drwaffles]

Body piece is almost completely wasted on a good whm. Cleric/Blessed/Aristo is a very potent combo for almost every spell that WHM casts already. I suppose you could macro it in for a slightly faster haste cycle if you enjoy micromanaging...

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If you're talking about micro-management, you could begin casting in Marduk's Jubbah to decrease the casting time and conclude the casting in Saio to gain the benefits of Haste and Conserve MP. I do a similar thing on RDM, keeping Dalmatica equipped throughout the majority of the casting time and swapping to Goliard just before the spell goes off (for Refresh, Haste, Reraise, Raise, Cure III/IV etc.).

Of course, that level of obessive-compulsive perfectionism isn't for everyone.

[Zhais]

Body piece is almost completely wasted on a good whm. Cleric/Blessed/Aristo is a very potent combo for almost every spell that WHM casts already. I suppose you could macro it in for a slightly faster haste cycle if you enjoy micromanaging...

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If you're talking about micro-management, you could begin casting in Marduk's Jubbah to decrease the casting time and conclude the casting in Saio to gain the benefits of Haste and Conserve MP. I do a similar thing on RDM, keeping Dalmatica equipped throughout the majority of the casting time and swapping to Goliard just before the spell goes off (for Refresh, Haste, Reraise, Raise, Cure III/IV etc.).

Of course, that level of obessive-compulsive perfectionism isn't for everyone.

Once I get marduk jubbah.... I do believe most effecient body swap will be: yigit right before spell starts, goliard when spell goes off, marduk after spell is done >.> I already do the first two hehe.

[potatoninja]

derail slightly since were talking about marduk gear i always wondered for smn marduk feet or af2 feet better?

[Tsukasaz]

derail slightly since were talking about marduk gear i always wondered for smn marduk feet or af2 feet better?

I still think AF2>Summoning Magic Skill+5. You could test it yourself otherwise it's just basically opinion.

[Khiinroye]

The summoning skill +5 is ok for Elemental Siphon.

[shukuffxi]

All I remember about Marduk head is it has +7 Divine Magic Skill, which is the highest a WHM can get in the head slot (Elite Beret+1 for +5 is the next closest), which is good for Repose.

[Tsukasaz]

All I remember about Marduk head is it has +7 Divine Magic Skill, which is the highest a WHM can get in the head slot (Elite Beret+1 for +5 is the next closest), which is good for Repose.

I don't see the need for another set of gear when I could just use Nashira Turban (Magic Accuracy +5).

[frodnonnag]

marduk tiara is the immediate best piece for smn in the set, with a nice huge mp boost that rivals zenith, without the hp penalty, any smn worth their job should go for atleast this piece. legs beat out penance on +skill, and feet are nashira with MP. since there is that whole oddball "wear -bp to issue pact, wear skill, acc or atk to hit" trick, marduk still has its use for magical atk and debuff pacts, as well as ward durations.

as for marduk legs versus af+1 legs in physical rage pacts, its more an issue of which would give a bigger acc bonus(shit is unparsed, son), as well as the whole "does af legs stack with relic hands" issue. as for any other pact, marduk hands down.


as for the other two pieces, body and hands, can't rightfully say i see an immediate use for them on smn.

[Tsukasaz]

I don't buy into that shit about AF1+1 legs. Waste of coins in my opinion, I only got Feet+1. SMN really isn't about max MP anyway (at least the way we play it)... if I see a SMN wearing zenith they're going to fucking die.
Skill is nice for wards and stuff, yeah, but for BPs I like straight out accuracy and attack boosts. Skill where you can't get that (earring/neck, although there is sacrifice torque... but accuracy on predator claws yadda yadda...).

[Msnl]

I'm not sure on the uses of Marduk for SMN or WHM, but this is the way I see it should be used on BRD.

Hat, is comparable (preference) to Roundlet+1 for Enfeebles, most of your Buffs are going to be at their cap without this, and you can hit the last march tier without it. It's still nice, especially if you don't have Roundlet(+1).

Body, is arguably best Enfeeble Body piece because it's giving your the most CHR possible in that slot, giving you the opportunity to put skill in other slots. I also use for Idle, Curing, Status removal, anything that benefits from the Fast Cast. As others mentioned that makes it awful pretty. You should still carry Yigit/Sha'ir/Minstrel's for your buffs, because Marduk does nothing for them.

Hands, you should be using AF+1 for Enfeebles, Sha'ir for most buffs (+ lullaby if you're not worried about resists). They're good for Idle (regen), and stuff thats subjob based (Cure, -na, Utsu). The -Enm is nice for those, and MND for Cures. Also nice for Stoneskin cast.

Legs, are imo the best enfeeble leg piece for bard, no question. 10 CHR & 5 wind skill in 1 slot is really incredible. You should still be using Haidate for casts that benefit from Haste, AF2/Mahatma for Stoneskin. AF+1 is nice for hitting capped wind, and almost necessary to hit your final march tier (ghorn related).

Shoes, Suzaku's Sune-ate are comparable for Cure cast, and are better for Stoneskin. Feet are more of a WHM piece imo, they will get more benefits that I can see a bard getting. I guess would be nice to be hitting your cap on String (I rarely use string, and when I do I'm not usually the only bard casting.) Rostrums are nice for the little bit of fast cast for stuff that sune-ate doesnt help. You should be using Goliard/Shadow Clogs for Enfeebles.

[Jakson]

ok on the topic of the body why would it be better than the alt. for whm nobles or brd she'ikh(sp?), yigit?

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Well, it's not good for SMN at all honestly.
BRD: it's better than yigit and sha'ir because it has Refresh.
WHM: It's not better than noble's, it's a stoneskin/fast cast piece.

Pros: +2/+1 MND more than Noble's for SS than Errant/Mahatma, 2% Haste from Fast Cast, Refresh

Cons: Costs ~x3 Mahatma (or ~x120 Errant) for an minute + to SS (provided you aren't capped already), and refresh can be obtained from full Yigit, and is free. So it's more or less 9m for refresh.

I don't know much about BRD enfeebs, but if your enfeebs will land because of that extra +2/+1 MND, then it makes me wonder how we ever got by before without it.