2008 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs!

[Kaylia]

Our offense just seems to have no rhythm this series. I'm not a fanboy at all because I actually have rationale to back up my statements.

Rational statement as in? Don't give yourself too much credit, contradicting yourself every 2 posts is everything but rational. The only thing you did in this thread is defend the Flyers...that's what I call fanboy.

Take a look at the shot/score in last series and tell me they dominated the game again.

#1:34-33 4-3
#2:36-23 2-4 (1 empty net goal)
#3:34-14 2-3
#4:38-25 2-4 (1 empty net goal)
#5:37-35 4-6 (1 empty net goal)
Total
179 for canadians vs 130
All match were lost by 1 goal.
In game 2,3,4, they scored 11 times in 62 shots (versus 6 in 108). Almost everyone (but some Flyers fanboy) agree half of those goals were soft goal that should never have got in, and everyone agree Biron was awesome.
Canadians hit the pole like 12 times in this series, against 3 for Flyers. Amount of open net missed is in favor of canadian as well.

I said it and will say it again. Flyers won last series because of Biron. It was just a matter of time before they get destroyed.

She says the Flyers style of hockey (aggressive and physical) slows the game down too much. I dont see how that is even possible. If you want to whine about teams who "slow the game down" take a look at the Devils late 90s - early 2000. The neutral zone trap made games become 1-0.. 2-1.. etc. That's fucking boring. And that was all season long. The Pens are doing it now, yes, but all that matters now is winning the games before you lose 4. More power to the Pens for doing it and doing it well. Sucks to watch the Flyers play against it, but how can I get mad when the Pens are doing what they need to do to win games?

Who said I liked the Devil? I think I even compared flyers to them a few pages ago.

Arguing with Kalyia is like talking to a brick wall.

Like that time it took two pages to make you shut up about the goal in first Flyers/montreal game? The goal was good, and you were wrong. No point listening to your QQ.

[Kaylia]

I'm sorry but Kaylia the fact that now you're bashing people calling them fags etc is pretty fucking sad. Who the hell cares if they are "fanboys?" I'm a Pittsburgh "fanboy." The difference is that the people here are EDUCATED hockey fans. They are backing up their comments with FACT.

Here's the thing. The people here know their hockey. If you come in and make a bullshit comment, you are going to hear about it. Take for example the comment that they play aggressive and physical.

A. It's fucking hockey. Every team in the league wishes they could play 60 minutes of aggressive physical hockey.

B. The Flyers had SEVEN different players score 20 or more goals this season. Which came from???? PLAYING AGGRESSIVE PHYSICAL HOCKEY.

Learn something about the game and then comment because all you're doing now is making yourself look like an ignorant moron.

Only fact in this thread is that most of you can't make the difference between an opinion and a fact.

Pulling the team "good stats" to demonstrate how good a team play together is kinda stupid. Having 7 players with 20 goals simply mean you have 7 decent players, not that they are playing well as a team. They don't have the worst lineup ever or anything, but the way they play is still retarded and make uninteresting games compared to many other teams. Playing physical hockey is fine, and I have no issue about that. What I'm complaining about is thing like the final goal in first series, pushing players who don't have the puck and other stuff like that. If i wanted to watch 8 guys hold each other while two try to score, I would watch football, not hockey. It's not as bad as it was 4-5 years ago, but it's still the impression I get from Flyers every time I see them play.

Ironically, Umberger, who only had 13 goals in the seasons scored 7 in 5 matchs (and 5 assist or something). Where is the rest of the team? How can you tell me they are a good team when the 8th (or 9th) scorer is the one with the most goals?


Call me uneducated fan if you want, but I don't think you guys are particularly more mature or "educated" about it.

[Brill Weave]

Ok apparently this is your first time ever watching playoff hockey so I will give you a quick briefing. Usually the team that wins a series is able to SHUT DOWN the opposing teams offense. Hence why Philadelphia is not scoring against Pittsburgh.

You're mentioning the "final goal in the first series." There has ALWAYS been pushing and shoving after a goal as long as I've watched hockey. It's hockey, not ballet. Players take bad penalties all the time. There is absolutely nothing about the Flyers playing style that slows down the game. When they were got up on Montreal they played SHUT DOWN hockey. As a result Montreal was never able to really make a good run of it.

You can only play the luck card for so long as well. Oh the Flyers got lucky because there were 42 shots that hit off the posts etc etc. Losers find excuses for losing. The reason why Montreal lost is they got out-played, out-hit, out-shot, and out-scored.

Pulling the team "good stats" to demonstrate how good a team play together is kinda stupid. Having 7 players with 20 goals simply mean you have 7 decent players, not that they are playing well as a team.

This is quite possibly the most retarded statement I have ever read concerning hockey. Let's just ignore the first sentence because I can't even decipher what you're trying to say.

Seven different players scoring twenty goals or more means you only have seven "decent" players? Are you stoned? How the flying fuck do you think they score those goals there sweetheart?

I have a hint for you. It's called teammates. Playing fantastic hockey usually results in your ENTIRE team reaping the benefits, ie seven players with twenty goals or more.

Those teammates pass the puck putting their teammates into scoring position, allowing them to have the opportunity to score. In case you're wondering most teams roll with a four line setup. That means twelve forwards.

Which also means SEVEN of TWELVE people had twenty goals or more. That's more than half your entire group of forwards. But no, they don't play well as a team.

Bottom line, you've still got sand in your vag because Philly took out Montreal so you're taking any opportunity you can to bad mouth the better team in that series.

I hear equestrian is on Espn2, you should probably watch that. It seems more your speed.

[Kaylia]

Ok apparently this is your first time ever watching playoff hockey so I will give you a quick briefing. Usually the team that wins a series is able to SHUT DOWN the opposing teams offense. Hence why Philadelphia is not scoring against Pittsburgh.

Thanks for the clarification. Now everything is clear and make sense. I supose the team that score the most has the biggest chance of winning too? Hockey is so weird.

You're mentioning the "final goal in the first series." There has ALWAYS been pushing and shoving after a goal as long as I've watched hockey. It's hockey, not ballet. Players take bad penalties all the time. There is absolutely nothing about the Flyers playing style that slows down the game. When they were got up on Montreal they played SHUT DOWN hockey. As a result Montreal was never able to really make a good run of it.

You know you are facing an educated fan when they are repeating what they heard from the retard at ESPN. I mean, those guys are genius, they are working for a professional network, right?

Oh the Flyers got lucky because there were 42 shots that hit off the posts etc etc. Losers find excuses for losing. The reason why Montreal lost is they got out-played, out-hit, out-shot, and out-scored.

You did not watch the game, did you?

[Norelco]

1. The the Flyers must not be a very good 'team' if a single player getting injured is the cause of all their problems. How convenient it is that Biron isn't stopping pucks like he was the previous two series, or that Briere has all but disappeared.

This is the reason why the Flyers are losing. The Pens right now, are playing phenomenal hockey. The fact that Philly's main scoring threats have been invisible is killing them. They are turning the puck over in the neutral zone more times than any team ever should. And when they do test Fleury they are in poor position. There have been several nice fat rebounds Fleury gave up that should have been hammered home. The Flyers just look completely out of sorts right now.

Now as to the comment about the Flyers sucking. I can tell you don't really like them much, and living in Pittsburgh I like them even less. That being said, your comments are complete garbage.

The Flyers finished in the basement of the Eastern Conference last year. They fired their coach and tossed their old GM out on his ass. The fact that they not only made the playoffs, but knocked off the #1 seed along the way speaks volumes about their management.

Any true hockey fan knows how difficult it is for a team to turn it around. Take the Penguins for example before we drafted Malkin and Crosby all we had was Ryan Malone and players like Ramzi Abid and Rico Fata. It took us how many years, and two all world players, to make it back to the playoffs.

Yet the Flyers did it a year after the worst season they've had in recent memory. The Flyers had a fantastic season, period, point blank. You can't let your dislike of the team cloud your vision to the point where you're saying they are an inferior team. They aren't. True they are going to lose this series, but it still does nothing to tarnish everything they have accomplished this year.

My comments are complete garbage? Are you referring to me or someone else?

[Brill Weave]

No, your comments are spot on Norelco. I like how you completely disregard the rest of my post Kaylia. You know the part where you are made to look like an idiot. Just some food for thought by the way. The Penguins only had five players who scored twenty or more goals this season. But you won't dare say they aren't a good team now would you?

You don't pick up well on sarcasm either. Amazing. Over six thousand posts and you still haven't found a clue.

[Norelco]

No, your comments are spot on Norelco.

LOL, cuz I totally did say the Flyers sucked on page 1 of this thread and I did call someone a fanboy on this very page...so I thought you were referring to me.

And when I mean suck, it's not because they actually suck...I know what the Flyers did this year...I've seen their stats. I just say they suck because they got two of my favorite players (Briere and Biron), and that's not their fault, that Sabre's management's fault. Anyway...I like to pick on Flyers fans just because. =P

Anyway...I like underdogs...and down 3-0 I'd be excited to see Philly tie it back up. Hockey needs a good showing to attract more fans.

[Brill Weave]

Not happening dood. My boys will close it out on either Thursday or Saturday. I don't think they are going to let Philly even think about making a comeback in this series. Philly just looks beaten right now.

[Dolmen]

I hear equestrian is on Espn2, you should probably watch that. It seems more your speed.

I hope you do realize that equestrian eventing is a lot harder than hockey.

[Brill Weave]

I hope you do realize that equestrian eventing is a lot harder than hockey.

But it's much slower paced, no full gallops, just trotting. And all she needs to do is watch the pretty pony on the screen.

[Bweigelt]

I hear equestrian is on Espn2, you should probably watch that. It seems more your speed.

I hope you do realize that equestrian eventing is a lot harder than hockey.

1. What does that have to do with anything?
2. How can you even compare which is harder than which. They are two entirely different things that have absolutely no correlation to each other.

[Kaylia]

You don't pick up well on sarcasm either. Amazing. Over six thousand posts and you still haven't found a clue.

I didn't bother with your post because it was retarded as a whole, but if you want me to answer every specific points...

Ok apparently this is your first time ever watching playoff hockey so I will give you a quick briefing. Usually the team that wins a series is able to SHUT DOWN the opposing teams offense. Hence why Philadelphia is not scoring against Pittsburgh.

You're mentioning the "final goal in the first series." There has ALWAYS been pushing and shoving after a goal as long as I've watched hockey. It's hockey, not ballet. Players take bad penalties all the time. There is absolutely nothing about the Flyers playing style that slows down the game. When they were got up on Montreal they played SHUT DOWN hockey. As a result Montreal was never able to really make a good run of it.

You can only play the luck card for so long as well. Oh the Flyers got lucky because there were 42 shots that hit off the posts etc etc. Losers find excuses for losing. The reason why Montreal lost is they got out-played, out-hit, out-shot, and out-scored.

Stupidity aside (the one I pointed right before), here is my answers to your "oh so good" post.

You make it sound like I'm asking for a game without any physical contacts, like there is no middle inbetween. I like a good fight, I like a good checks, but pushing/shoving/harassing players to SHUT DOWN is not fun to watch. I was watching hockey 15 years ago, I've seen olympics game, playoff games, I've seen matches between 2 physical and 2 fast teams, and good hockey rarely come out of game like the one I'm complaining about.

What you're defending is exactly what NHL tried to avoid a few years ago with all the change they made to the referees system and rules. Give more freedom to players, and prevent that kind of gameplay to slow down the game by giving more penalties.

When I watch a game, I want to see speed, team play, feint, good saves, not a crosscheck to end a play, or someone pushing goaler around. Good for you if that's what you enjoy, I don't.

This is quite possibly the most retarded statement I have ever read concerning hockey. Let's just ignore the first sentence because I can't even decipher what you're trying to say.
Seven different players scoring twenty goals or more means you only have seven "decent" players? Are you stoned? How the flying fuck do you think they score those goals there sweetheart?
I have a hint for you. It's called teammates. Playing fantastic hockey usually results in your ENTIRE team reaping the benefits, ie seven players with twenty goals or more.
Those teammates pass the puck putting their teammates into scoring position, allowing them to have the opportunity to score. In case you're wondering most teams roll with a four line setup. That means twelve forwards.
Which also means SEVEN of TWELVE people had twenty goals or more. That's more than half your entire group of forwards. But no, they don't play well as a team.

I'm saying you can find a "good statistics" for every teams in every situations. The fact that you are looking at a single stats and not the actually game to judge how good the teamplay is retarded. If Flyers were as awesome as a team as you're saying, they would have ended higher in their division, they would dominate other team in every aspect, but that's not the case, that's not what the stats are saying. If they have 7 "good" players, it means they have at least 2 "good" players on ice at any given time? How come they aren't destroying the other team when their "bad" players are on ice?

Those 7 players you're praising didn't do much in the playoff. Nothing that make you win a game in normal circumstance. Their whole team consisted of Umberger (he did pretty good in every aspect) and Biron (who was much better than he usually is).

Put them against a team that has a better offensive than the Habs and you get exactly the result you have at the moment against the Penguin. A one sided series.

[edit]
and again. Why losing a single defensemen hurt them so much if they have a good balanced team?

But it's much slower paced, no full gallops, just trotting. And all she needs to do is watch the pretty pony on the screen.

For someone who was QQ at the word "fag" earlier, you sure have a big mouth.

[nicholai]

Re-RAIL GO DALLAS

[Man0warr]

Why are you guys showing up so late to play some hockey? Dallas looking good tonight..sigh.

[Runningdemon]

Missing the most important thing.

Pens sweeping the Flyers tomorrow, :D

[Brill Weave]

No Kaylia, you said that 7 decent players putting in twenty goals or more in a season has nothing to do with the team environment. Which is absolutely ludicrous. If you care to watch more than a Philadelphia game, you would notice pushing and shoving during every game in the NHL. If you're not seeing it you need to take off your blinders.

And if you're really asking why didn't the Flyers destroy the competition then you really need to stop now. I never said that Philadelphia was better than any other team in the league. I commented on the fact that you claimed having multiple twenty goal scorers has nothing to do with a team environment and that they "suck."

And no Kaylia, the NHL made those changes to help eliminate systems like the Neutral Zone Trap. Not to stop people from pushing and shoving while they play. Anything that impedes progress through the neutral zone, not pushing and shoving after a whistle or a goal.

You really seem to enjoy taking comments and running with them. I said what Philadelphia was able to do was nothing short of a miracle. I never once said they were the second coming. You read into that all on your own.

What do you mean the Flyers have done nothing in the playoffs this year? They knocked off your team as well as Washington. And you act like Umberger scored every single goal of his on his own.

I'll use Umberger as a perfect example of a team working together. He was a wrecking crew against Montreal. Umberger has 10 goals in the playoffs right now. Not a single one of those goals has come unassisted.

Every single goal he has scored has been set up by something his teammate did. But yeah, he's only a decent player so he probably would have scored them on his own anyways. Look forward to your mediocre response that never acknowledges your own idiotic comments.

[Ace-o-fire]

oh shit here comes the choak!

[Seditedi]

Do I hear more bitching about Montreal losing because Biron did his job??? LOL..

[Kaylia]

No Kaylia, you said that 7 decent players putting in twenty goals or more in a season has nothing to do with the team environment. Which is absolutely ludicrous. If you care to watch more than a Philadelphia game, you would notice pushing and shoving during every game in the NHL. If you're not seeing it you need to take off your blinders.

With your reasoning, it would mean those "20 goals" scorers wouldnt be able to get as much in another team. However, it's not the case if you look at their old stats. They are all 20-30 goals players, with Flyers or with other team. Exception being Richard who only played 2 season in NHL (both with flyers), and Carter (3 seasons I think with Flyers)

Briere: 32 goal with Buffalo, 31 with Flyers
Knuble: Always had 20-30 goals in the last 6-7 seasons with Flyers and boston
Lupul was around 20-30 in 3seasons with 3 differents team (20 this years)
Hartnell was always aruond 24-25 in the last 3 seasons with Pheonix and Flyers.

And the best one for the last! Prospal
29 goals in 62 games with Tampa Bay, 4 in 18 with Flyers.

As you can see, moving with Flyers helped him a lot </sarcasm>

You can call me stupid over and over if you want, but I would say the "team environment" you mentionned as very little to do with the success of those 7 players. If you think it does, than do a demonstration as to why it matter.

And no Kaylia, the NHL made those changes to help eliminate systems like the Neutral Zone Trap. Not to stop people from pushing and shoving while they play. Anything that impedes progress through the neutral zone, not pushing and shoving after a whistle or a goal.

Why do you think they made change to the referee system? To fix trap? To give less penalty? Sure. If you don't remember, it was to call more penalty so that players can concentrate on the play instead.

I'll use Umberger as a perfect example of a team working together. He was a wrecking crew against Montreal. Umberger has 10 goals in the playoffs right now. Not a single one of those goals has come unassisted.

Do you even know how assist works? Go watch the 7 goals he did on espn.com or w/e, and tell me how many good assist there was. Getting an assist points doesn't always mean you worked hard to make the goal happen.

Do I hear more bitching about Montreal losing because Biron did his job??? LOL..

Grow up.

[Ishido]

Some terrible calls in the Detroit-Dallas game today, almost looked like they wanted Dallas to win to extend the series (coming from a Detroit fan, so take it with a grain of salt).

Dallas played well of course, if they hadn't they would not have won, but it will be interesting to see if they can keep up the pace heading back to Detroit.