QQTH solo?

[Quendi]

I'm sorry to ask this, but I'm unable to find it. I for some reason remember reading a thread saying a while back that QQTH could be solo'd by a blm. Could someone redirect me to this thread? I've been unable to find it using the search function on the site. Hate to make an entire thread about this, so feel free to delete this after the question is answered! Thanks

[Jedimasta]

http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=19518
looks like a RDM guide but it should be the same for BLM i suppose

[Wizerd]

I'm sorry to ask this, but I'm unable to find it. I for some reason remember reading a thread saying a while back that QQTH could be solo'd by a blm. Could someone redirect me to this thread? I've been unable to find it using the search function on the site. Hate to make an entire thread about this, so feel free to delete this after the question is answered! Thanks

Use what Jedi posted, but remember that if you're BLM/NIN you can't cure yourself outside of Drains and potions.

[Kaeko]

I'd like to point out that SCH can do this too, and solo the Chariot same run.

[Dense]

I'd like to point out that SCH can do this too, and solo the Chariot same run, and not wear any of the drops.

Fixed.

[Mojo]

BLM should be able to solo both QQA and both QQTH with ease once you're used to it. There is enough material in that thread that I shouldn't need to rehash on any of it. A practiced RDM(or SCH apparently) can do 2x QQA 2x QQTH and Bhoot or Chariot in the same run. SCH might be able to manage Psycheflayer(It's immune to Poison making it difficult for RDM) if you're looking for Macha's Coronal as well.

[Kaeko]

I'd like to point out that SCH can do this too, and solo the Chariot same run, and not wear any of the drops.

Fixed.

got me there

Also, I didn't realize flayer was nukable. SCH has issues with pure DoT kills since Poison II is 37+ and cannot be gained on sub.

[Waef]

A practiced RDM(or SCH apparently) can do 2x QQA 2x QQTH and Bhoot or Chariot in the same run.

I remember, even when I did each QQA and QQTH flawlessly, I had maybe 5 or 10 minutes left at the end. I'm sure with some unresisted nukes it could have been faster, but because of all the restrictions I don't see how there's enough time to manage both QQs and the Chariot or Bhoot (since I know the Bhoot alone would take 20+ minutes, no clue on the Chariot as I never attempted it). So, I guess what I'm asking is, does it just require getting the right cells at the start to be able to pull this off?

[Quendi]

I was actually going to try to do this as sch, since I have no rdm or blm @75. Sch/Nin sounds risky to me though w/ no stoneskin. Idk, going to try soon!

[Terrestrialrage]

They really shouldnt hit you at all, except maybe the 3F one if you dont know how to path. Just path correctly around the pillars and youll be fine /Nin

[Kaeko]

I actually did them /RDM on SCH... Don't have /NIN sub

I doubt I could do QQAs without Utsu, but the QQTHs just require kiting around the porters and aren't too bad. The chariot requires movement speed - I'm 100% sure of this if you're going to kite. Bind and Gravity have building resists on it so you have to be able to outrun it.

[Mojo]

A practiced RDM(or SCH apparently) can do 2x QQA 2x QQTH and Bhoot or Chariot in the same run.

I remember, even when I did each QQA and QQTH flawlessly, I had maybe 5 or 10 minutes left at the end. I'm sure with some unresisted nukes it could have been faster, but because of all the restrictions I don't see how there's enough time to manage both QQs and the Chariot or Bhoot (since I know the Bhoot alone would take 20+ minutes, no clue on the Chariot as I never attempted it). So, I guess what I'm asking is, does it just require getting the right cells at the start to be able to pull this off?

Hitting all 5 didn't require any special cells, just the 4 that were guaranteed in the box. MP/INT/Body/Leg/Head cells helped quite a bit when I got them, but I did more than one run where I got nothing good yet still pulled it off. You need to be extremely time efficient when you're killing all of the Qiqirn(Getting as many Blizzard IIIs off as possible) in order to have enough time for Bhoot or Chariot.

Movement speed isn't required for either bhoot or chariot. The trick is to deaggro them after you put DoTs up.

The bhoot can be deaggro'd by simply casting at max range then running as far as you can while it's casting. This can be difficult because you'll need a certain amount of space to deaggro it without running the risk of getting hit by a ga III. Bring Holy Waters in case you get hit with Curse.

You won't have the luxury of a casting time to gain some distance on the chariot, nor would you have anywhere to run even if you did. However, if you round the pillars in the teleporter room just so, it'll bug out the pathfinding for the chariot and he'll take a really long way around the pillar. It's difficult to explain, the best way to describe it is if the chariot is closer to you, don't hug the pillars. If the chariot is farther away, hug them. Seems like the opposite of what you should do but it works.

Typically with both of these methods, it would go something like Bio II > deaggro > Poison II > deaggro > Blizzard III(or Fire III if bhoot) > deaggro, and so on. Gravity or Bind(bhoot is resistant to Bind so be careful) can be used when necessary if you screw up or for some other reason.

As far as the QQTH go ~ if done right, you don't even need a subjob. The thread that was posted earlier has good descriptions on how to do all of this.

Anyways, I thought that SCH might be able to do the psycheflayer with Bio II and helixes, maybe I'm wrong.

[Soraan]

Hmmm, any other tips on the Chariot? Just went in as me (rdm/nin) + friend (blm), and did the QQTH as usual (no dorps ofcuz). And zoned up to floor 5 with about 45 minutes left or so (I think that was our time). We spent some time on first floor getting a second magic and trying to get a second MP but after 0/3 on MP we gave up and ported up, killed a BLM lamia on 2nd floor, still no MP, so we just pushed on. First chest included body, mnd, and waist so kinda bleh. Should have just skipped the mobs after getting our second magic, but oh well. And we skipped any QQAs, Bhoot, or Psychflayer because we wanted to try the Chariot.

So on floor 5, we killed 3 gears trying to get another SJ and a leg/feet cell for movement speed for Chariot. No luck on anything (hate you arrapago!), so we just said fuck it and wanted to play around with chariot to see what it was like. We engaged Chariot at about 25-30~ minutes remaining, and when we timed out, it was 55~%. But, my BLM friend died really fast (when it was like 92% lol), and his wife was bugging him, so he had to go afk in the hallway for all but about the last 3 minutes. So I pretty much solo'ed it down to 55~% before we timed out.

Mmmm, thoughts on it isssssssss... I don't think movement speed is required, but it would make it a joke really and like 10x easier. I tried kiting some and deaggroed it a few times by hugging the edge of the porter as much as I could and got some distance on it. Waited for a dot to wear, then reaggroed it and repeated. Nuked a little (200-300~ dmg per nuke average). Then after a while, it seemed like hugging the porter didn't work exactly and it kept catching up to me, so I decided to straight tank with Slow 2 and Paralyze on. Pretty damn easy to solo tank except when Discharge happened. Thankfully, Discharge's paralyze proc is fairly low and wears off fast, so I just grav'ed and kited until paralyze wore. No HP cell was pretty gay, so that made it a little harder as well. But I assumed trying to farm skeletons for HP would have just been a complete waste of time.

Here's a pic toward the end before time out (my friend was still afk in the hallway >.>) and I had just died to an unlucky double attack twice in a row while trying to cast Ichi:

http://home.alltel.net/matt114/chariotsolo.jpg
(yes lolbluedalmy & sorry for big picture, too lazy to resize)

Seems pretty random when it lost hate on me. Sometimes it was right next to me, other times far away. But I think someone mentioned it had something to do with sight aggro and if he can't see you, loses aggro faster. Dunno.

Might bring a THF in next time for maybe better cell drops and ability to steal a SJ off QQA. My BLM friend also has RDM, so not sure what all jobs we should try for next time. We both have movement speed equip (me wlegs, him gaiters as blm or wlegs if he goes on rdm), so if we could get some feet cells, would be nice. I was thinking maybe us both go RDM simply because even if he doesn't get a SJ, he can stoneskin and take a hit or two before falling over dead instead of BLM and instantly dying if he doesn't outrun it.

Any tips would be appreciated.

[fishstix]

It's different when you duo because if 1 person loses hate, the 2nd person needs to be able to do the same or he'll die. I tried this before as blm with another rdm that had crimson cuisses. When he lost hate, I pretty much died soon after. Adding a thf will help lots, with at the least, killing mobs faster for cells. If chariot is your only goal, 30 minutes is really short :3

[Mojo]

Yes indeed. BLM + RDM duo could be tricky because of that. RDM + THF duo(apply TH at the very end) works well because of the obvious reason of wanting TH for the 35 drops and the not so obvious reasons of TH for the QQA cell drops(frequently drops legs + INT) and stealing a body cell from the QQTH.

For the chariot, if you make sure to cast only when at max casting range, you'll never get hit by an AoE. Bio II or Blizzard III will trigger its TP activation, but you're so far away can easily walk out of range.

[Gaea]

Just to confirm, the 5 other people who DC to get you in don't lose permit right?

NVM this is answered in the other thread. others don't lose permit ^^

[Mojo]

They do not. The best way to do it is to set a time on the vana'diel clock for all of them to force DC. Wait about 10 seconds after the dots turn red, then click to enter. Have them wait a good 2 minutes or so before logging back on.

[Gaea]

Thanks Mojo^^ I found a link to the other thread and saw someone ask the same question. Didn't realize there were two threads on this^^

[Wizerd]

They do not. The best way to do it is to set a time on the vana'diel clock for all of them to force DC. Wait about 10 seconds after the dots turn red, then click to enter. Have them wait a good 2 minutes or so before logging back on.

I've always waited 40-45 sec after red dot so that while it's processing, they depop. I didn't realize if it processed (ie: "Commencing transport to...") while they were still in the game they didn't lose permit.

*shrug* A person will D/C 50 seconds after red dot, or 45, I forget, so waiting to 40 then pressing enter is what I do.

[Tachys]

Is it possible for DRK to do any of this?