Statement of fact re: RDM Maat

[Demosthenes11]

I was disappointed from all I had read about the fight (think I beat him in spring '05) =\
1/1, 5 minute fight, 67 rdm, Took 0 damage (didn't even get a melee hit in)

I can see how shit can hit the fan in it though, I was pretty lucky considering I didn't get resisted at all.
He got a para in but it didn't proc at all :3

[Lexa]

Look there isn't that much of a random factor for maat. here is how I beat him. i'm 4/6 for him. 1/3 for first time.

As soon as you enter. run up to him and sleep him. Dispel him, buff yourself. dispel him again. then do the nuke/sleep method on him. never silence him, paralyze helps. for the only debuff. when he chainspells. sleep him and wait out 1 min. then continue. It's that simple really. that is how I've beaten him several times. bring some meds. vile and vile+1 in case of emergency. but shouldn't need it.

If you wait and buff as soon as you enter the battle you are giving him the chance to buff as well. Shell and blink for the most part. if he get those up. your sleep might not land then your in trouble.

And then you get a freak resist on your sleep despite having good gear, correct food, capped skills and going in on a good day, and thank you for playing, better luck next time.

I beat him on PLD, and he Shoulder Tackled me. I thought it was really bad at the time, until someone told me how much an Asuran would have done to me.

You get a freak resist on your sleep and then...you cast another sleep spell. Or gravity, or bind...

A friend of mine had a bad resist, got interrupted on next cast, then got his face pummeled in before he could hit the next macro. So yeah, it can easily mean game over.

EDIT: His Stoneskin wore, he took like 3 damage, and it counted as an interrupt. Silly Stoneskin.

[Tjonke]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

[Genosync]

BLM 1/1
RDM 1/1
THF 1/5 (68)
DRK 1/7 . . . (taru, Lv66, it's hard)
PLD 1/1 (66)
BRD 1/1
SAM 1/1 (66)
DRG 1/1 (66)
BST 1/1 (66)
WAR 1/1 (66, 1h axe, GAX was 98 or something)
WHM 1/1 (70)
MNK 1/2 (counterstance is bad mmkay?)
SMN 1/1 (66)
NIN 1/1
RNG 1/3 (68-69, first job, taru gets EES oneshotted)

RDM fight:

Ok, so I was 75. That doesn't mean that I understand the concept behind this fight.

GET FUCKING STAVES, ALL OF THEM (STOP CASTING AERO IN YOUR GODDAMN ICE STAFF, UGH), GET SOME ELEMENTAL SKILL GEAR, SOME ENFEEBLING SKILL GEAR, AND CAP YOUR DAMN SKILLS

start with chainspell, you have it and it's best used at the beginning (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) so that you don't get owned by timers because of his buffs and you getting resisted!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111 1111111111111111 god, so hard to think like that.

run in really fast, chainspell, gravity, silence, dispel x2-3, nuke nuke nuke nuke convert nuke nuke nuke nuke WIN

[Tricen]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

Ohi Charitwo. WAIT




FUCK

[Genosync]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

Ohi Charitwo. WAIT




FUCK

qft, qft as hell

there is no such thing in ffxi as bad luck--it's only you thinking you're actually good at the game, when you suck ass.

[Fadian]

Look there isn't that much of a random factor for maat. here is how I beat him. i'm 4/6 for him. 1/3 for first time.

As soon as you enter. run up to him and sleep him. Dispel him, buff yourself. dispel him again. then do the nuke/sleep method on him. never silence him, paralyze helps. for the only debuff. when he chainspells. sleep him and wait out 1 min. then continue. It's that simple really. that is how I've beaten him several times. bring some meds. vile and vile+1 in case of emergency. but shouldn't need it.

If you wait and buff as soon as you enter the battle you are giving him the chance to buff as well. Shell and blink for the most part. if he get those up. your sleep might not land then your in trouble.

And then you get a freak resist on your sleep despite having good gear, correct food, capped skills and going in on a good day, and thank you for playing, better luck next time.

I beat him on PLD, and he Shoulder Tackled me. I thought it was really bad at the time, until someone told me how much an Asuran would have done to me.

You get a freak resist on your sleep and then...you cast another sleep spell. Or gravity, or bind...

Finally some common sense! plus if you cast on him, he will most likly cast a spell on you before running so all you have to do is cast sleep 1 or bind or gravity!!!!

[Demosthenes11]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

Ohi Charitwo. WAIT




FUCK

qft, qft as hell

there is no such thing in ffxi as bad luck--it's only you thinking you're actually good at the game, when you suck ass.

ya you're right, me getting hit for 1200 spirits within at the start of solo ENM wasn't bad luck, I just suck

[Secksi]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

Ohi Charitwo. WAIT




FUCK

qft, qft as hell

there is no such thing in ffxi as bad luck--it's only you thinking you're actually good at the game, when you suck ass.

So Luciola's cockgobblers were right when sticking up for him? "He's just good as what he does!"

Personally I think there's a pretty big fucking factor of luck in crafting.

[shihei]

I remember my first Maat fight on THF, it consisted of me failing a steal after I SA him, then PD and he spammed Asuran Fists like 8 times on me all missing, which was crazy it was like he had unlimited TP, but funny at the same time, real lmao material. Reraised and failed second steal. Next try I went 1/2 on steal. I didn't have awesome gear or meds to melee him but very easy if you do have good gear/markmanship leveled.

[ronin sparthos]

Both RDM and BLM Maat fights are based on luck a little bit. They can both turn horrible in a matter of seconds or go as smooth as a babies but.

I went 1/6 on BLM Maat fight due to first of beeing nervous and hitting wrong things the first 3 fights or so. My gear was probably as good as it could possibly have been since I borrowed a friends HQ set. The next 2 fights I got really unlucky with stuff like him starting off with Stun and then running up to me and smacking me over the head with his fists.
Last fight I started as usual with Flare > ES > Sleep and then > Flood > -ga spell to take him out. But instead of him stunning me right after my Flare and smacking me or sleeping me he actually stood there like a good little BLM and tried casting Tornado on me untill he was asleep. Then when he got Flooded he tried casting Tornado on me again and even though I was stupid enough to Stun it instead of casting my -ga spell to finish him of he was nice enough to cast Bind on me instead before he gave up.

So yeah I agree that Maat fights can be a bit based on luck even if you have a perfect strategy and gear setup. My RDM fight started horribly when I tried to follow the Sleep > Dispel route since my Sleep hit his Blink and so did my Sleep2. Still was able to pull it off though.

But yeah to the OP: Things can go horribly wrong even if you have perfect strategy and gear so don't say that you can't whine about bad luck when the fight actually is part luck. Just cause you would think that bad luck should only happen 1/10 runs or so doesn't mean that bad things can't happen 1000 times in a row. Low chance but still possible.

Ohi Charitwo. WAIT




FUCK

qft, qft as hell

there is no such thing in ffxi as bad luck--it's only you thinking you're actually good at the game, when you suck ass.

ya you're right, me getting hit for 1200 spirits within at the start of solo ENM wasn't bad luck, I just suck

Dont forget freak Spirits Withins vs Ark Angel EV. (Ohi 1900 dmg)

or... the goblin rolling nothing but buffs and heals on the mannequin, topping that off with a 2hour.

[Demosthenes11]

stop sucking sparthos, GOD

[Genosync]

That's not 'bad luck', that's poor design by the people that made the fights.

There's a big difference, really.

You don't get screwed out of Maat fights like that, which is kinda what the topic was about.

Big difference between luck and poor design causing some instant wipes.

Like, everyone thought the Cerberus assault was bad luck, because 'wah wah gates of hades wah elementals wah wah' until we figured it out, and then the sucky people that can't adapt to it chalk up losses to 'bad luck'.

Whatever.

[Demosthenes11]

you want to start a new thread where all you do is stroke your e-penis or something?

get over yourself

[Genosync]

No, that's ok, I'll do it wherever I want, really.

Statement of fact re: RDM Maat v2.0

I don't think there's a single quality RDM that has lost this fight at Lv70 over 10 times. Not a single one.

[Skjie]

I don't think there's a single quality RDM that has lost this fight at Lv70 over 3 times. Not a single one.

First time I had no clue, second time was bad luck (resisted silence and chainspelled exactly when I did) and still won. If you have bad luck more than 2~3 times in a row, it's not your luck that's the problem...

[Raineer]

If you go more than 1/4 (and that's generous) on RDM Maat, you are doing it wrong.

I'm tired of hearing so many people whine about him. I guarantee you anyone going 1/10 or more has one of four problems:
- crap gear
- uncapped skills
- panicking during the fight
- bad strategy

Am I the only one here who thought he was a pushover? I need someone to commiserate with me on this, or I'm going to end up thinking I'm just that damn good at this game. And I really doubt that's the case.

FYI the job levels in my sig are accurate, and I beat him 1/2.

Only thing I'll say is let me know how you do when he chainspell paralyzes.

Aside from that, it should be a 100% kill. I went 1/2, and CS para got me. Second fight I took no damage.

edit: Fights were at 66 and 68. And I have to second what was said above about the 1200 spirits within on the solo ENM fight, lol.... so true

[Demosthenes11]

From like 3 years ago
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25...1/spirits2.jpg
was in the first 15 seconds

[Raineer]

hahaha, yeah that's exactly what mine looked like. You might as well be doing the treasure chest BCNM in Giddeus. It's COMPLETE luck. If he doesn't do Spirits, you win. If he does, enjoy your wasted trip there.

[chi]

I killed RDM Maat for the lulz at 70 and it didn't give me much trouble. The hardest Maat in the game, hands-down-by-far... is Bard. It uses skills that you probably don't have and really haven't done much with, especially if bard is your first job. I think after my 4th loss, I was so jittery before entering that BCNM that I had my friend who had way more experience with melee jobs beat it for me. And it took him 2 tries. My friends were helping me with items, testimonies, and gear so every loss felt like I was letting them down and taking up more of their time and money. XD

That fight is such a huge combination of shit you normally never do, luck, capped skills, good gear you'll NEVER use again, and not being taru that I still remember it as one of the worst times in the game for me. Every time he would do SOMETHING that dropped my HP into the red and then just finish me. And it was never really that I came unprepared or my strategy had some fatal flaw... It was just pure unlucky bullshit.

I came back with a vengeance, a bunch of borrowed gear, and a Joyeuse when I finally won. It was a little overkill for a Maat fight but he still almost dropped me. I hate that fight to this day. It has nothing to do with how good you are at your job... It's almost more of a test of how NOT BARD you can be.