Salvage v. King Gear, OR Should Tanks Blink? (Milkman split)

[BerenTebogo]

I still don't compare to the Islareich

[Burnsy]

mnk are better off buying items now honestly

and you can be a shitty walmart MNK, kthx bai

[Ashira]

mnk are better off buying items now honestly

and you can be a shitty walmart MNK, kthx bai

Ummmm..... wasn't that entirely taken out of context?

As I recall, wasn't the discussion there about purchasing BB items?

[LD]

Eh, considering what we were talking about, quoting it directly doesn't drop any of its meaning, so it wasn't taken out of context.

We were discussing the issues surrounding MNK in end game and how BB is the only item MNK really needs from the fights it sucks at. Almalexia was saying due to the options we have in obtaining it and the lowered enphasis placed on high def/level mobs in end game, it isn't as crippling as all that. Whereas I was saying even if that's true, 3kings are still the only sure way of getting the items and, even with the greater accessibility of KS99, have the best turnover rate (be it fighting the mobs as part of the group or buying it from someone who does).

[Charismatic]

and so... how does buying BB items make you a shitty walmart MNK then?

[LD]

Well, I'm not going to speak for him. I was mostly saying what he quoted wasn't taken out of context. I don't feel as strongly about buying BB items, but there's a lot wrong with it.

People are making you pay a large amount of money for an item that will go unused otherwise. Also, anyone who has the money to spend on them isn't necessarily working any harder than they would for an item on AH, marginalizing the importance and prestige of the piece (also, potential gilbuyers). People look down on abj and sky loot buying, why not this?

I don't do it for reasons I've already stated, but there are enough people who don't deseve their BBs who got them the 'right' way, so I'm not going to demonize the ones who buy them...though I do believe I'm moraly superior (but that's true for most people).

[azagarth]

i cant see how buying a BB makes you crappy... ANYONE can sit at a king camp with a ls botting the hell outta the area. I think this being the age of noobs with relics and full king gear and still not worth a party spot, would easily disprove that only the skilled get good gear. Usually its who you know and who sucks the most dick that get items nowadays in ls', if people with skill where given the gear half the endgamers would be nakid.

but seriously burnsy if your going to quote me do it right. I still have not a clue what your aiming to do, hows buying BB items have anything to do with being a walmart mnk? If i recall that hats damn good anyhow for mnk, i know i macroed mine in for tp and swaped to ohat for ws. maybe you dont use macros or have decent enough gear to get good acc?

just side not for LD, im glad your chosing to wait and get them yourself, but i really cannot see why. Kings are not hard to kill, its shows no superior skills and the morality of it makes no sense. All it shows is that you dont mind wasting countless hours killing the same hnm over and over, really once you kill it once whats the point of killing it again if you dont need too? Oh btw my first BB i got the ligit way off all 3 kings i helped in killing, but honestly id rather save myself literally weeks of my life just in playtime.

[LD]

You...What the Fuck are you talking about? I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I meant or if you're just a moron. If you're assuming that I'm intentionally avoiding 3kings (incidentally, to clarify the terminology, 3kings=HQs, NQs=NQs), then you're very stupid, I simply don't have an LS to kill them and even if I did, I don't have any job they would want for it. If you're suggesting that I want to kill it 'myself' as in killing NQs, you're way off, since the only NQ a MNK could solo is Adaman (and I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it without a BB, irony of ironies). If you're suggesting I'm wasting my time aiming for KS99, I'm not going to be talked down to by someone who'd rather farm shit mobs for a few hours a day than actually contribute to the game. I have no LS, the last time I tried to do NQ Behe (with some friends), I was out claimed, and since I have no chance at HQ, it's best if I just gather KS for KS99, which I don't have to TRY to do. So as long as I accumulate kindreds, I'm making at least as much of an effort as someone who farms to buy it, but the difference is I'm working to actually work, if you get my meaning. I was actually being facetious in regards to morality, but frankly money is just a shallow thing. It means more not only doing something, but WANTING to do something, instead of just waiting until your pockets are full enough.

Also, don't say you're glad about something when you don't mean it, you don't need an artificial segue when you have something meaningful to say.

[Scion]

I think this being the age of noobs with relics and...

This reminded me not too long ago about seeing a PLD with Aegis, Ares's cuirass, Bahamut's mask and Valor cape engage Conquerer Bagkodek or whatever that orc NM is in Jugner Forest for campaign battle AFTER 2 PLDs with none of that stuff died to it. And guess what? He died within 5 seconds. It made me want to cry. Shitty PLDs ftl.

[Burnsy]

i cant see how buying a BB makes you crappy... ANYONE can sit at a king camp with a ls botting the hell outta the area.

I've had my current set of gear (forgive me I live somewhere w/o internet atm, or I would post screenshots) which includes sky/king gear, since 2006.
BB obtained 2/27/2007...after 4 years of playing (I have a life/job too).
Only endgame LS I've ever been in doesn't bot... go check our forums here.

but seriously burnsy if your going to quote me do it right. I still have not a clue what your aiming to do, hows buying BB items have anything to do with being a walmart mnk? If i recall that hats damn good anyhow for mnk, i know i macroed mine in for tp and swaped to ohat for ws. maybe you dont use macros or have decent enough gear to get good acc?
playtime.

When you go from talking about a belt to a hat, it makes you kinda hard to follow. What hat? WallaWallaWashington Turban? Who doesnt wear that for TP? The use of an ohat for WS is kinda sad...no Shura Zunari Kabuto? You really need that much acc+ for lolmerits? You want to attempt to comment on my gear, which accross server is even more lol than usual, so I obviously hit a nerve.

Shura isn't that bad to obtain, considering at most, MNK requires 3 peices, all gotten from sky. Sky is retardedly easy, just boring and repetative, and ya, you gotta go buy the cursed peice, unless you forsaw in noobhood your love for all things woodworking.

But buying the items for the BB is an insult for anyone that claims to be a MNK enough to deserve said belt, and they would never, ever concede to outright buying of it. Wal-mart mnks, by definition, dont give a fuck about the job, and it's uses in all aspects of the game, but just level it to go merit in trash parties on colibri, and should all rot in the deepest pits of hell as far as I'm concerned ^_^

The "buyable" stuff you claim is so good for monk, what would these peices be? Last time I checked after 72 if you don't have a Shura Togi you're boot. Like to claim that Pahluwan gear is better? SH+1?

MNKs need less focus on STR/ACC than ATT after 75+merits to make WS viable, otherwise you're seeing inconsistant returns for alot of bullshit gear you don't need.

Haste (read:BB) and consistant high DoT is what mnks provide for HNM, and albiet alot of pussies like to complain about TP, things die faster, and using a set more geared for att+ enables that. Att+ gear comes from sky and salvage for mnk.

Sky and salvage require time and a decent group of people to do it, usually equalling a HNM/Endgame LS, unless you're one of those really fucking annoying people that sits in town and asks everyone for help.

-LD you have a good head, you'll get your BB one day, and it will be all the better because you got it your way.

[shukuffxi]

But buying the items for the BB is an insult for anyone that claims to be a MNK enough to deserve said belt-...

Prolly feeding the flames, but it's bull crap that if you don't join a LS, camp kings for god only knows how long, or farm KS all day long for months to KS99 for them, that you're "not a MNK!!!!"

Truth of the matter is, so many LS that do king camps are capped on BB items, or only have someone to give it to when they decide "y'know, I think i'll level MNK". There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying it. I know one person, who pretty much detests HNM, does not play all day long, but is an absolutely hardcore MNK. They decided to idle in king zones, and offer gil, because they were a high level crafter, and had the money for it at the same time some LS' didn't have the need for it.

Sure, i'd prefer LS that didn't need it gave it out for free all the time, but considering most of the time there is someone there ready to spend 1M+ at least, it's not going to happen all the time. I have been in, and know of, many king camping LS that sell N.Head or Assjammer all the time, no one complains at all about this. If you could AH the BB items, or the BB itself, no one would say a word either.

The issue here is some MNKs who are die hard MNKonry types, who get butthurt simply because they can't obtain one, either due to not enough playtime, or not enough gil, or whatever is limiting them from obtaining it. What makes "I don't have time/gil/the will to obtain it in any way, even if I am a die hard MNKonry type" more worthwhile of getting a BB than someone who DOES put in the time or effort in whichever way? (not advocating botting here )

[Ashira]

But buying the items for the BB is an insult for anyone that claims to be a MNK enough to deserve said belt, and they would never, ever concede to outright buying of it. Wal-mart mnks, by definition, dont give a fuck about the job, and it's uses in all aspects of the game, but just level it to go merit in trash parties on colibri, and should all rot in the deepest pits of hell as far as I'm concerned ^_^

To me, calling someone "Walmart" says cheap, and also implies an amount of stupidity about the rest of their gear.

That is why I questioned the context. To me, someone going for a BB and buying the items simply because their LS doesn't do kings but does pretty much everything else and thus they are geared, but just don't have easy capability to get the king drop items... isn't "Walmart." That's the only reason I mentioned it.

[BerenTebogo]

i cant see how buying a BB makes you crappy... ANYONE can sit at a king camp with a ls botting the hell outta the area.

I've had my current set of gear (forgive me I live somewhere w/o internet atm, or I would post screenshots) which includes sky/king gear, since 2006.
BB obtained 2/27/2007...after 4 years of playing (I have a life/job too).
Only endgame LS I've ever been in doesn't bot... go check our forums here.

but seriously burnsy if your going to quote me do it right. I still have not a clue what your aiming to do, hows buying BB items have anything to do with being a walmart mnk? If i recall that hats damn good anyhow for mnk, i know i macroed mine in for tp and swaped to ohat for ws. maybe you dont use macros or have decent enough gear to get good acc?
playtime.

When you go from talking about a belt to a hat, it makes you kinda hard to follow. What hat? WallaWallaWashington Turban? Who doesnt wear that for TP? The use of an ohat for WS is kinda sad...no Shura Zunari Kabuto? You really need that much acc+ for lolmerits? You want to attempt to comment on my gear, which accross server is even more lol than usual, so I obviously hit a nerve.

Shura isn't that bad to obtain, considering at most, MNK requires 3 peices, all gotten from sky. Sky is retardedly easy, just boring and repetative, and ya, you gotta go buy the cursed peice, unless you forsaw in noobhood your love for all things woodworking.

But buying the items for the BB is an insult for anyone that claims to be a MNK enough to deserve said belt, and they would never, ever concede to outright buying of it. Wal-mart mnks, by definition, dont give a fuck about the job, and it's uses in all aspects of the game, but just level it to go merit in trash parties on colibri, and should all rot in the deepest pits of hell as far as I'm concerned ^_^

The "buyable" stuff you claim is so good for monk, what would these peices be? Last time I checked after 72 if you don't have a Shura Togi you're boot. Like to claim that Pahluwan gear is better? SH+1?

MNKs need less focus on STR/ACC than ATT after 75+merits to make WS viable, otherwise you're seeing inconsistant returns for alot of bullshit gear you don't need.

Haste (read:BB) and consistant high DoT is what mnks provide for HNM, and albiet alot of pussies like to complain about TP, things die faster, and using a set more geared for att+ enables that. Att+ gear comes from sky and salvage for mnk.

Sky and salvage require time and a decent group of people to do it, usually equalling a HNM/Endgame LS, unless you're one of those really fucking annoying people that sits in town and asks everyone for help.

-LD you have a good head, you'll get your BB one day, and it will be all the better because you got it your way.

You're an idiot.

[Lordwafik]

and go back to KI.

You and all the other morons who think I'm not going to edit their retarded page dings out. OUT OUT OUT.

[Burginator]

You're an idiot.

More or less sums it up. I've been MNK75 for almost 3 years now, and I'd buy BB items if the chance arose. I play the job exclusively for salvage, because I have more useful jobs for every other event -- Does that make me less of a monk? No, it makes me someone with versatility.

[Sendra]

I'm with Kikoku.

[Deftscythe]

and go back to KI.

You and all the other morons who think I'm not going to edit their retarded page dings out. OUT OUT OUT.

Thank you. I thought there was a rule against that dumb crap here, but this is the first time I've seen it enforced.

[LD]

Hmmm, the question arises....Should I read these posts and potentially get drawn into another argument, or note the fact that most of them were directed at someone else and be content with what I've already said?....

The plight of the megalomaniacal, yet self-preserving mouthpiece.

[Lordwafik]

and go back to KI.

You and all the other morons who think I'm not going to edit their retarded page dings out. OUT OUT OUT.

Thank you. I thought there was a rule against that dumb crap here, but this is the first time I've seen it enforced.

np. Anyone who sees page dings just submit it for moderation and i'll gladly erase it.

[Dohorehn]

...after 4 years of playing (I have a life/job too).

Uhm, dude. Four years of playing and your only job is Monk (at least going by your sig)? Even with a life/job, that's pretty pathetic. I mean seriously, what did you do for all that time? lol