Salvage v. King Gear, OR Should Tanks Blink? (Milkman split)

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[Qbertian]

Man, I have to agree with Iced that spelling shit like "rediculous" and "IQ of 145" don't really go together. Or maybe he's just some idiot savant with an Achilles' heel in spelling. Emphasis on the idiot part.

*Edit:* Whoops, just realized Iced was probably linking his Salvage comment for more than just the spelling error. Well, I guess that's two birds with one stone!

[Quizno]

For the record:

High IQ doesn't give you the ability to spell every word correctly (this isn't GATACA).

You do not need to have a high IQ to win the national spelling bee.

Likewise, high IQ doesn't give you great knowledge or wisdom.

[BerenTebogo]

Man, I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but here goes:
Sath - I think you're just as much as an idiot as you claim me to be, have a nice life, make a smaller less pretentious sig, and die in a fire.

...after 4 years of playing (I have a life/job too).

Uhm, dude. Four years of playing and your only job is Monk (at least going by your sig)? Even with a life/job, that's pretty pathetic. I mean seriously, what did you do for all that time? lol

Pathetic? You can have your opinions, I just don't think any of the other jobs are that much fun, and I hate exping. I've know people on my server with nothing leveled higher than 60, and only play the game to craft... is that pathetic? No, it's how they enjoy the game. If you enjoy spending countless hours/days/weeks/years leveling 12 different jobs, only to be semi good at them, then cheers to you. I enjoy actually doing things in the game, that don't require me to hunt for 5 other people that want to spam exp for 6 hours a day. There's quests, missions, campain, LS events, camping/making gil the hard way, and way too many things to mention here to do OTHER than exping.

You're an idiot.

More or less sums it up. I've been MNK75 for almost 3 years now, and I'd buy BB items if the chance arose. I play the job exclusively for salvage, because I have more useful jobs for every other event -- Does that make me less of a monk? No, it makes me someone with versatility.

Play the job for salvage, salvage is the most rediculous insult to anyone thats worked hard to obtain the gear to make their job "elite". Go buy the BB items, according to Azagarth it only takes 2 weeks to make 3 million gil. Idk what server he's on, but 2 weeks pay going to IGE isn't my idea of making the game fun, and you can't make gil that fast anymore unless you have a craft (other than alchemy) at 100+3.

To reference your versatility, that's what an extensive friends list and Linkshell members are for, apparently you have neither.


Haven't you ever heard the old saying, "Jack of all trades, master at none?"


Bring on the pain. :D

You're still an idiot.

[Lordwafik]

salvage is the most rediculous insult to anyone thats worked hard to obtain the gear to make their job "elite"

Are you seriously stupid or what? Salvage is the epitome of "Put in personal time, get rewards, no botting and nothing else to interfere" aside drop rates of course. I guess your HQ was too high to see this though.

[Qbertian]

For the record:

High IQ doesn't give you the ability to spell every word correctly (this isn't GATACA).

You do not need to have a high IQ to win the national spelling bee.

Likewise, high IQ doesn't give you great knowledge or wisdom.

Lol, the word "ridiculous" is not a national spelling bee word. "Xanthosis" is a spelling bee word.

And of course having a high IQ doesn't give you knowledge or wisdom, but if it doesn't give you the ability to identify knowledge or wisdom when presented with it, then what good is it at all?

[Iced]

For the record:

High IQ doesn't give you the ability to spell every word correctly (this isn't GATACA).

You do not need to have a high IQ to win the national spelling bee.

Likewise, high IQ doesn't give you great knowledge or wisdom.

Lol, the word "ridiculous" is not a national spelling bee word. "Xanthosis" is a spelling bee word.

And of course having a high IQ doesn't give you knowledge or wisdom, but if it doesn't give you the ability to identify knowledge or wisdom when presented with it, then what good is it at all?

A high IQ also means you have the intelligence to understand that when a red line appears underneath the word you just spelled, that it is incorrect.

But really, I was pointing out the lack of intelligence or IQ in his previous statement.

[Quizno]

At the risk of derailing the blatant derail of this thread...

IQ is your ability to learn and the results are based on individual experience. Einstein would be lost to history if he had been born in say... Ethiopia. (There is actually a pretty good chance that we've missed on on more of them than we have found.)

IQ has nothing to do with opinion... Mensa is neither republican nor democrat. And I'm sure you can find a PhD to give you any number of opinions that conficlict with the opinions of other equally "smart" people.

I only find this interesting because IQ is so poorly understood by most people. There is a reason colleges ask for your ACT or SAT instead of your IQ.

In anycase...



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At home that probably would have had a red line under it. At work it doesn't.

[Shuemue]

hay guyz i did an online IQ test and got 158!!1! i r smart oki?

btw, Burgs is a good player, he's welcome in any alliance of mine.

[LD]

That's a fine, shiny gloss.

[Almalexia]

For the last month or so, I've been leveling SCH, since it seems to be the most complicated and thought-intensive of all the jobs. With the charge system finally, well, good, all Scholars have been using Strats often and to great effect. Yesterday, after a PT in aydeewa, I thought of applying the concept to boost, before I passed out into a fevered sleep. By morning, I'd completely fleshed out the idea.

Boost opens up a sub-menu that has 12 numbered boost JAs, like Dances, on a 'shared' recast. 'Boost x1' is still att +12.5% with a 15 second recast, but the higher numbers multiply the effect and recast of the ability, without the tediousness of individual boosting. 'Boost x2' would be a 30 second recast, x6 would be 90 and so on. Not only would this simplify Chi-Blast, WSs would be greatly enhanced. Even if used with x12, that's a 3 minute recast, and att's 999 and 1h's pDIF caps prevents anything too ridiculous.

Submit this suggestion to POL immediately. Tell your friends to send a suggestion, and have them tell every one of their friends to do the same.

Allow the options in the Boost submenu to appear gradually over the course of levels (subjob/lowbie balance) with Boost x12 at lv.70 or 75. The boost multipliers don't need to have every value between 1 and 12, either:

Boost at 5, then
Boostx4 at 25
Boostx8 at 50
Boostx12 at 75

OR

Boost at 5, then
Boostx3 at 20 (or 25)
Boostx6 at 40
Boostx9 at 60
Boostx12 at 75

The JA submenu opens the doors to new ways of handling job abilities in both tactical application and sheer convenience. We know SE has the programming to make it possible, and stacking these Boosts--say, Boostx3+Boostx3-- is simple arithmetic that even the lowly PS2 can handle.

[Max™]

One condition: When you use Boost x 12, the game should say Maxaru uses BOOOOOSTARRUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!

[Xno Kappa]

That idea is pretty pimp actually. I'm sure MNK's would simultaneously bust nuts with as simple addition/adjustment as this.

[Correction]

Burnsy's a ^_______^ and 'I'm a unique snowflake' away from becoming a legend in Adv. Discussion.

[LD]

For the last month or so, I've been leveling SCH, since it seems to be the most complicated and thought-intensive of all the jobs. With the charge system finally, well, good, all Scholars have been using Strats often and to great effect. Yesterday, after a PT in aydeewa, I thought of applying the concept to boost, before I passed out into a fevered sleep. By morning, I'd completely fleshed out the idea.

Boost opens up a sub-menu that has 12 numbered boost JAs, like Dances, on a 'shared' recast. 'Boost x1' is still att +12.5% with a 15 second recast, but the higher numbers multiply the effect and recast of the ability, without the tediousness of individual boosting. 'Boost x2' would be a 30 second recast, x6 would be 90 and so on. Not only would this simplify Chi-Blast, WSs would be greatly enhanced. Even if used with x12, that's a 3 minute recast, and att's 999 and 1h's pDIF caps prevents anything too ridiculous.

Submit this suggestion to POL immediately. Tell your friends to send a suggestion, and have them tell every one of their friends to do the same.

Allow the options in the Boost submenu to appear gradually over the course of levels (subjob/lowbie balance) with Boost x12 at lv.70 or 75. The boost multipliers don't need to have every value between 1 and 12, either:

Boost at 5, then
Boostx4 at 25
Boostx8 at 50
Boostx12 at 75

OR

Boost at 5, then
Boostx3 at 20 (or 25)
Boostx6 at 40
Boostx9 at 60
Boostx12 at 75

The JA submenu opens the doors to new ways of handling job abilities in both tactical application and sheer convenience. We know SE has the programming to make it possible, and stacking these Boosts--say, Boostx3+Boostx3-- is simple arithmetic that even the lowly PS2 can handle.

I don't say this often, but thank you all very much for the compliments.
I'd already considered level capping it, since giving a lvl5 MNK or another job this sort of full-power boost wouldn't exactly be fair. 50% every minute for a sub would be more than enough of an advantage, especially considering /THF technically gives a greater advantage and earlier. :x
I was thinking of making the Boost levels more gradual, but capping for subs at or below x6. x12 would of course be for lvl 70+ MNKs.

I can only imagine the changes this would create. I could easily see 2H-like heavy STR/stat mod set-ups for WSs and switching in Temple Gloves would go from ideal to absolutely mandatory (12.5% to 18.75%). It's almost possible to max att just with att from skill.

Holy Shit I just realized this could allow Chi-Blasting while you melee. What would that do?...
Hmmm, on the whole, boosts would be better spent on WSs, but it could be a nice hate spike tool while you TP...

[ubermonkey]

For the record:

High IQ doesn't give you the ability to spell every word correctly (this isn't GATACA).

You do not need to have a high IQ to win the national spelling bee.

Likewise, high IQ doesn't give you great knowledge or wisdom.

It's GATTACA btw, named after enzymes in DNA or somesuch

Quoting your IQ in an internet argument is like saying "I'm not smart enough to reason my way out of this argument, because I'm rilly, rilly smart. Believe me, please!!!1111oneoneone"

Would boost X12 give the same hate spike as boosting 12 times in a really short time period, because if so, that would be a really nice VE spike too.

[Almalexia]

Would boost X12 give the same hate spike as boosting 12 times in a really short time period, because if so, that would be a really nice VE spike too.

Let the enmity values multiply with the intensity of the boost. At first I imagined this would be a turn-off for MNKs, but then I remembered that I tank 99% of the time even when I can't use boost. :-"

For the chee blastan monks concerned about ripping hate away with the volatile enmity of a thousand suns, just run 30' away prior to boosting, run back into range, aim, fire.

[LD]

AH, I hadn't considered the enmity. After referencing kaeko's chart, I don't think the total emity would be too bad in and of itself, since it's all VE, like voke. The total is more than twice that of voke, but with 6x the recast, so it might even out.


Edit:
Incidentally, this is the line I submited to SE:

"For the last month or so, I've been leveling SCH. With the charge system finally usable, SCH is finally reaching its potential. I thought of applying the concept to the Monk Job Ability Boost:

'Boost' opens up a sub-menu that has 12 numbered Boost JAs, like Dancer's Dances, on a 'shared' recast. 'Boost x1' is still attack +12.5% with a 15 second recast, but the higher numbers multiply the effect and recast of the ability, without the tediousness of individual boosting. 'Boost x2' would be a 25% attack boost on a 30 second recast, x6 would be a 75% boost on 90 seconds and so on. Not only would this simplify Chi-Blast, WSs would be greatly enhanced. By having each level of boost unlocked at certain levels, this will prevent low level Monks and other jobs using Monk as a support job from abusing the full power. Boost x1 would remain at lvl 5, at 37, it would go up to x6, and at ~70, a MNK would be able to use x12. Even if used at x12, that's a 3 minute recast, and the attack cap of 999 and 1h's pDIF cap prevents anything too ridiculously powerful."

Do it.

[Burginator]

hay guyz i did an online IQ test and got 158!!1! i r smart oki?

btw, Burgs is a good player, he's welcome in any alliance of mine.

I feel so loved. And I never claimed to be a master at anything (Except RNG -- And fuck off if you insult MY job.), but I can personally guarantee I'm a much better monk than you. I'm up to my 10th 75 now, and I've not yet had anybody tell me I'm bad at a single one.

[Lagunasa]

hay guyz i did an online IQ test and got 158!!1! i r smart oki?

btw, Burgs is a good player, he's welcome in any alliance of mine.

I feel so loved. And I never claimed to be a master at anything (Except RNG -- And fuck off if you insult MY job.), but I can personally guarantee I'm a much better monk than you. I'm up to my 10th 75 now, and I've not yet had anybody tell me I'm bad at a single one.

Get pissed Burg, get pissed.