2007-2008 NBA Playoffs - THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

[Andarvi]

Oh my lord best post game show ever.

[Xarius]

:rocl: Did anyone else see that Kobe car jump spoof... LOL

[Xavier]

O god that was hilarious, looooool.

[Stee]

Man it knocked him out of his shoes!!

[CMMeast]

a) Gilbert doesn't have a max contract and Boston is so far over the cap it's not even funny. Celtics fans are going to enjoy the next couple years when their team is shit and they can't lose enough to get good talent, win enough to do anything, or pay anyone enough to make their team better. It's awesome when your owner is cool with wasting money, but the dollar for dollar hit is ridiculous.
b) Kobe dragged shit (Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, rest of the Lakers before they got good?) to the playoffs in the West the last two years. The only decent player on those teams was Lamar Odom and his stats and performance weren't overwhelming till Gasol came. Garnett couldn't even will his team to win games in a division that's just as bad as the Pacific while dealing with less injuries.

Kobe dragged his team to 45 wins both seasons and what did it amount to? 2 first round playoff exits. Kobe's the best player since Jordan and what has he done in the years post shaq? In three seasons: he missed the playoffs once, and was bounced in the first round two straight years. Practically mirroring the things Garnett did in Minnesota w/o help, but you don't see anyone calling Kobe a perennial "loser" do you?

My opinion is that it's dumb to say the guy is a loser because he had no one around him. Then you turn around and say he's overrated once he starts winning because he has help. I mean, what do you want him to do?

How DARE he lead a good team to 66 wins and we say he's ACTUALLY GOOD because of it. Nope, he's a LOSER because he didn't take his team to the finals like lebron james!

I never said he was overrated but the T-wolves missed the playoffs the last three years Garnett was there. He's supremely skilled but not dominant. He has a bad habit of disappearing sometimes.

KG isn't a loser, but he's definitely not a winner. Dude has skills, but when you're letting Wally Szczerbiak take the shots at the end of a series deciding game, there's something wrong.

His contract had to be one of the worst ever. Signed before the new CBA in 1999, you can't even begin comparing it to Kidd's. Even Shaq's contract wasn't that bad, just had lots of zeros. It fucked over the T-wolves for a long time. They couldn't sign more guys because his contract ate up so much cap space and was structured to get prohibitively worse.

Look at what he's going to be doing to the Celtic's payroll the next couple years as he starts to decline (unless the new CBA goes with the rumors).

Suns vs. Lakers: Suns were burning everyone except the Spurs the two years they beat the Lakers. I sure as hell didn't expect any wins, much less career performances out of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker (currently racking up DNP-CDs in Memphis and out of the league respectively).

[Exoduso]

Nuggets are going byebye.

[Andarvi]

a) Gilbert doesn't have a max contract and Boston is so far over the cap it's not even funny. Celtics fans are going to enjoy the next couple years when their team is shit and they can't lose enough to get good talent, win enough to do anything, or pay anyone enough to make their team better. It's awesome when your owner is cool with wasting money, but the dollar for dollar hit is ridiculous.
b) Kobe dragged shit (Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, rest of the Lakers before they got good?) to the playoffs in the West the last two years. The only decent player on those teams was Lamar Odom and his stats and performance weren't overwhelming till Gasol came. Garnett couldn't even will his team to win games in a division that's just as bad as the Pacific while dealing with less injuries.

Kobe dragged his team to 45 wins both seasons and what did it amount to? 2 first round playoff exits. Kobe's the best player since Jordan and what has he done in the years post shaq? In three seasons: he missed the playoffs once, and was bounced in the first round two straight years. Practically mirroring the things Garnett did in Minnesota w/o help, but you don't see anyone calling Kobe a perennial "loser" do you?

My opinion is that it's dumb to say the guy is a loser because he had no one around him. Then you turn around and say he's overrated once he starts winning because he has help. I mean, what do you want him to do?

How DARE he lead a good team to 66 wins and we say he's ACTUALLY GOOD because of it. Nope, he's a LOSER because he didn't take his team to the finals like lebron james!

I never said he was overrated but the T-wolves missed the playoffs the last three years Garnett was there. He's supremely skilled but not dominant. He has a bad habit of disappearing sometimes.

KG isn't a loser, but he's definitely not a winner. Dude has skills, but when you're letting Wally Szczerbiak take the shots at the end of a series deciding game, there's something wrong.

His contract had to be one of the worst ever. Signed before the new CBA in 1999, you can't even begin comparing it to Kidd's. Even Shaq's contract wasn't that bad, just had lots of zeros. It fucked over the T-wolves for a long time. They couldn't sign more guys because his contract ate up so much cap space and was structured to get prohibitively worse.

Look at what he's going to be doing to the Celtic's payroll the next couple years as he starts to decline (unless the new CBA goes with the rumors).

Suns vs. Lakers: Suns were burning everyone except the Spurs the two years they beat the Lakers. I sure as hell didn't expect any wins, much less career performances out of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker (currently racking up DNP-CDs in Memphis and out of the league respectively).

1: KG is dominant. He is top 5 in the league at what he does, on many people's lists top 3. He is no question dominant.

2: All this talk about his contract being bad originally from the Twolves and now on the Celtics has nothing, zip, nada, to do with him. Lets examine the facts: he was fresh out of high schoo, offered over 100mil, you would sign that contract and give your left nut to finalize it. Don't blame him for signing a contract that would "cripple a franchise." Basketball is a business. Rarely does a player have the option of making that kind of bank and winning championships at the same time. At that age, before he was 20 for shit sakes, $$ > rings. Rings can come later.

Enter the Celtics. The Twolves thing didn't work out, he was still nasty, still garnered monolithic respect, still had his trade get the most attention in recent years because of said skill (more than Shaq, Kidd, Gasol, shit the closest thing was Shaq to the Heat in recent years). Understand one thing: the Celtics are not acquiring the veteran, high salaried Garnett AND Allen in addition to Pierce to create some all star studded nucleus for years to come. They want to win now. This year or next. Short sighted? yes. Boning themselves in the long run if they don't win? Absolutely. But they know that this team gives them the best chance to do so. And in this league, with their history, a single Celtics win will be worth a few years of salary cap penalties and severe roster changes. Tell me how any of this mentality relates to Garnett on a personal level at all? Hes not 20. He wants a ring. He knows the best chance he has to get it is with these Celtics, he knew it before signing, thats why he was hesitant until RayRay signed.

[Arvin]

somewhat related news article. has been putting me in a really shitty mood tonight. reaaaaallly really will be upset if he goes


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns


also, lol at the 76ers getting handled. pistons just woke up and realized they cant fuck around

[CMMeast]

a) Gilbert doesn't have a max contract and Boston is so far over the cap it's not even funny. Celtics fans are going to enjoy the next couple years when their team is shit and they can't lose enough to get good talent, win enough to do anything, or pay anyone enough to make their team better. It's awesome when your owner is cool with wasting money, but the dollar for dollar hit is ridiculous.
b) Kobe dragged shit (Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, rest of the Lakers before they got good?) to the playoffs in the West the last two years. The only decent player on those teams was Lamar Odom and his stats and performance weren't overwhelming till Gasol came. Garnett couldn't even will his team to win games in a division that's just as bad as the Pacific while dealing with less injuries.

Kobe dragged his team to 45 wins both seasons and what did it amount to? 2 first round playoff exits. Kobe's the best player since Jordan and what has he done in the years post shaq? In three seasons: he missed the playoffs once, and was bounced in the first round two straight years. Practically mirroring the things Garnett did in Minnesota w/o help, but you don't see anyone calling Kobe a perennial "loser" do you?

My opinion is that it's dumb to say the guy is a loser because he had no one around him. Then you turn around and say he's overrated once he starts winning because he has help. I mean, what do you want him to do?

How DARE he lead a good team to 66 wins and we say he's ACTUALLY GOOD because of it. Nope, he's a LOSER because he didn't take his team to the finals like lebron james!

I never said he was overrated but the T-wolves missed the playoffs the last three years Garnett was there. He's supremely skilled but not dominant. He has a bad habit of disappearing sometimes.

KG isn't a loser, but he's definitely not a winner. Dude has skills, but when you're letting Wally Szczerbiak take the shots at the end of a series deciding game, there's something wrong.

His contract had to be one of the worst ever. Signed before the new CBA in 1999, you can't even begin comparing it to Kidd's. Even Shaq's contract wasn't that bad, just had lots of zeros. It fucked over the T-wolves for a long time. They couldn't sign more guys because his contract ate up so much cap space and was structured to get prohibitively worse.

Look at what he's going to be doing to the Celtic's payroll the next couple years as he starts to decline (unless the new CBA goes with the rumors).

Suns vs. Lakers: Suns were burning everyone except the Spurs the two years they beat the Lakers. I sure as hell didn't expect any wins, much less career performances out of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker (currently racking up DNP-CDs in Memphis and out of the league respectively).

1: KG is dominant. He is top 5 in the league at what he does, on many people's lists top 3. He is no question dominant.

2: All this talk about his contract being bad originally from the Twolves and now on the Celtics has nothing, zip, nada, to do with him. Lets examine the facts: he was fresh out of high schoo, offered over 100mil, you would sign that contract and give your left nut to finalize it. Don't blame him for signing a contract that would "cripple a franchise." Basketball is a business. Rarely does a player have the option of making that kind of bank and winning championships at the same time. At that age, before he was 20 for shit sakes, $$ > rings. Rings can come later.

Enter the Celtics. The Twolves thing didn't work out, he was still nasty, still garnered monolithic respect, still had his trade get the most attention in recent years because of said skill (more than Shaq, Kidd, Gasol, shit the closest thing was Shaq to the Heat in recent years). Understand one thing: the Celtics are not acquiring the veteran, high salaried Garnett AND Allen in addition to Pierce to create some all star studded nucleus for years to come. They want to win now. This year or next. Short sighted? yes. Boning themselves in the long run if they don't win? Absolutely. But they know that this team gives them the best chance to do so. And in this league, with their history, a single Celtics win will be worth a few years of salary cap penalties and severe roster changes. Tell me how any of this mentality relates to Garnett on a personal level at all? Hes not 20. He wants a ring. He knows the best chance he has to get it is with these Celtics, he knew it before signing, thats why he was hesitant until RayRay signed.

Read into things much? Again, KG does not suck, never said that, but I feel his dominance is overstated because he has yet to perform when it really counts at the end of games (like Kobe and Lebron are dominant). It's called an opinion.

His contract sucks, and Boston's payroll sucks. Doesn't have anything to do with Garnett, but it's the truth. Sorta like LA when they were paying Shaq+Kobe the big bucks and they couldn't sign better role players. But of course that's not the reason they didn't win a title in 2003, it's Kobe being whatever people like to call him and so on.

[Demosthenes11]

KG overrated...ahahahahahahahahaha

[Arvin]

KG didnt deserve dpoy but w/e. i considered him for it second to dwight

[Akiyama]

O god that was hilarious, looooool.

Hahaha. Oh god, yeah. That was priceless. I love the "Inside the NBA" guys on TNT. They're always great. ""It took him out of his shoooes!" Haha. Kobe, Charles, Kenny, and Ernie were crackin' up laughin. That's gonna be huge on youtube, haha.

[Jayhawk]

KG didnt deserve dpoy but w/e. i considered him for it second to dwight

If going by stats alone, Dwight wouldn't even beat Camby for DPOY.

Camby: 10.2 defensive rebounds per game (2nd in league), 3.61 blocks per game (1st in league), 1.06 steals per game (48th in league)
Howard: 10.8 defensive rebounds per game (1st in league), 2.15 blocks per game (5th in league), 0.90 steals per game (90th in league)

-Stats courtesy of ESPN

I would have picked Garnett still for DPOY because he was the anchor for that defense, communicating a lot, and making his teammates better in a Steve Nash kind of way but on the defensive side of the ball. Garnett's a way better one-on-one defender than Camby and Howard as these two are help defenders who can get a lot of blocked shots as their perimeter defence gets embarassed by somebody penetrating to the hoop.

[Viq]

Understand one thing: the Celtics are not acquiring the veteran, high salaried Garnett AND Allen in addition to Pierce to create some all star studded nucleus for years to come. They want to win now. This year or next. Short sighted? yes. Boning themselves in the long run if they don't win? Absolutely. But they know that this team gives them the best chance to do so.

Actually, the contracts of Ray, Paul, and KG are set up for a longer run of success for the Celtics. I believe Ray's contract ends after the 2010 season, Pierce's after 2011, and KG's after 2012. They can ride these three for the next couple of years, then take the money from Ray and grab someone else to build around. The next year, take Pierce's money and turn it around for someone to work with Ray's replacement + KG. After 2012, take KG's money and sign the final piece of another "Big 3" nucleus for a few years. It isn't guaranteed to work out perfectly, but the way it's set up, things could be very good around here for a long time.

EDIT: This, of course, rides on Wyc & co.'s willingness to play with the luxury tax. Since Boston offers a virtual bottomless bag of cash for teams that win, it's certainly reasonable to think that the Celtic's ownership will be able to continue to supply the Big 3 with the support players that they need.

[Mizango]

KG overrated...ahahahahahahahahaha

I thought this quote was a joke when I first read it.

[octopus]

Wow, the wizards are putting on a beating on the cavs. I guess being at home really makes this much of a difference?

[Xavier]

Wow, the wizards are putting on a beating on the cavs. I guess being at home really makes this much of a difference?

The game isn't even close...my poor Cavs....

[Deejay]

The Wizard's crowd was fucking into it. They boo'd loud everytime Lebron touched the ball, and chanted OVERRATED for all his free throws. It seemed just like what the Wizard's needed...

[Tyche]

Sadly I don't think it'll matter. Cavs will probably still win in 5 or 6. They sure aren't beating the cavs 4 games in a row, and they sure as hell won't win a game 7 in Cleveland.

[Bratt]

The game isn't even close...my poor Cavs....

I think this beating is what Lebron might need to get going, I wanna see him get ready for Boston.