Spinel Ring vs. Sniper's Ring +1 for Relic DRK

[Arthars]

With Apoc, if you have good gear (and Apoc DRKs tend to have good gear) than Ares Mask is probably best.

The two I know prefer using Ace's Helm and swapping out Homam legs so that they can use Ares' Legs.

when i have ares i'll do that hehehe

except im an askar fan

silversea is stingy in terms of all 35 drop rate zzzzzz

[Arthars]

sig done woot

[yrpaine]

actually maats > askar and ace for real hahaha but maats cap is uglier than both askar and aces !!!!!!!

Ace's TP, Maat's WS for me needs moar robocop and less retard helmet.

[Taint]

Ok so here's the question: Why do people think that 4 DEX 4 STR are better than 1 Haste? With a 2h weapon that's 3 Acc 3 Atk (and pitiful crit increase unless you break a tier.) If you have around 50% total haste, that 1% is about a 2% increase in swing speed. To me, that seems much better than 3 acc (estimated 1.5% increase in accuracy) and 3 atk (estimated lol increase in damage.)

Btw, in case you didn't know/think about it, haste and accuracy effectiveness have an inverse relationship meaning +1% acc at 80% acc has the same increase in effectiveness as +1% haste at 20% haste. At 50% haste, 50% acc, adding 1% acc or haste is approximately equally effective as the other.

Can we get some exact haste fraction testing on ace's, askar, and turban?

The topic is in regard to Relic (Apoc) DRKs, who need 16% haste to max out gear haste with the other 10% coming from Catastrophe. When you have that haste advantage turban fails hard to Ace's.

The topic hasn't stuck strictly to apoc drks.

With Apoc, if you have good gear (and Apoc DRKs tend to have good gear) than Ares Mask is probably best.

Correct answer.

10% Cata, 3% Hands, 3% Feet, 3% Legs, 6% Belt, 1% Ring = 26% cap.

You'd probably parse higher with an Ace's or Turban (depending on the mob) and spamming Guillotine instead, though.

Cata spam owns Guillotine spam hardcore, Cata lets you keep Hasso up full time and not be an MP sink.

Ares's legs FTW but that would require SSR putting out. 0/21 on that NM now.

[Arthars]

agreed on point 1

cant agree more on point 2 lolz 3/70ish BUT ALL NOT MINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Therin]

Cata spam owns Guillotine spam hardcore, Cata lets you keep Hasso up full time and not be an MP sink.

Ares's legs FTW but that would require SSR putting out. 0/21 on that NM now.

Don't see what a relic would do here, I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

[fantasticdan]

10% Cata, 3% Hands, 3% Feet, 3% Legs, 6% Belt, 1% Ring = 26% cap.

Better to do 10% Cata, 4% Hands, 3% Feet, 3% Legs, 6% Belt = 26% cap.

What about 10% cata, 3% hands, 4% head, 3% feet, 6% belt = 26% cap using ares legs?

[Max™]

I beat ya on the Dusk +1 hands mention. :D

That was a good point though, 4% Head, 3% Hands, 3% Feet, 6% Belt, letting you use Homam hands for the Acc, freeing up a slot for Are's legs, would probably work out better than Are's head, or even Dusk +1 hands.

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[Taint]

Cata spam owns Guillotine spam hardcore, Cata lets you keep Hasso up full time and not be an MP sink.

Ares's legs FTW but that would require SSR putting out. 0/21 on that NM now.

Don't see what a relic would do here, I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

Cata drains on average 50% of the damage, so spamming WS every 5 hits = aprox 450-500 drain, with marchx2,capped haste gear and haste spell you can tank every mob and only need a cure after the mob hits a mean WS on you.

Keeping Hasso up full time without Cata means you are either getting cure bombed or not taking hits.

[yrpaine]

I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

fail. This is why I keep tp burns /nin. noobs read posts like this and think they can do it too.

[Khrno]

Cata spam owns Guillotine spam hardcore, Cata lets you keep Hasso up full time and not be an MP sink.

Ares's legs FTW but that would require SSR putting out. 0/21 on that NM now.

Don't see what a relic would do here, I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

Van needs moar http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/image...misc/ebody.gif

[Titanss]

Aces!


aww fuck me run'in too late.

[Tempyst]

meh

[Noob]

The answer is Hecatomb Cap for WAR town gear.

[Sendra]

I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

fail. This is why I keep tp burns /nin. noobs read posts like this and think they can do it too.

I don't see a problem with fulltime hasso at all, I did that last (colibri) party with an experimental WAR/SAM build and took plenty of hits, and our Galka BRD and 65RDM/BLM were able to heal us just fine. This is ontop of Souleater spam from our DRK/SAM.

Only one of our DDs had combat merits in his weapon, and it was our Adaberk Axe/Joy WAR. If our shit brigade could do it, I'm betting that most any group of DDs could have one to two members keeping hasso up.

Besides, it's not like it's hard to put up seigan/third eye when you get hate; You'll take like, one hit at most.

[XanthePandy]

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[Khajit]

I always fulltime Hasso in merits, and never have any problem whatsoever with MP. <_>

fail. This is why I keep tp burns /nin. noobs read posts like this and think they can do it too.

I don't see a problem with fulltime hasso at all, I did that last (colibri) party with an experimental WAR/SAM build and took plenty of hits, and our Galka BRD and 65RDM/BLM were able to heal us just fine. This is ontop of Souleater spam from our DRK/SAM.

Only one of our DDs had combat merits in his weapon, and it was our Adaberk Axe/Joy WAR. If our shit brigade could do it, I'm betting that most any group of DDs could have one to two members keeping hasso up.

Besides, it's not like it's hard to put up seigan/third eye when you get hate; You'll take like, one hit at most.

I have always theorized that that might work but in practice if one person is better than anyone else or the other DD act like pussies and dont spam thier tp then one guy tends to turn into an mp sink or die regularly.

[Sendra]

Theres nothing wrong with "being an MP sink" if you're at a camp like Colibri or south MJSP; the mage is usually sitting on a large amount of MP with 3-4 /NIN DDs. Theres nothing wrong with taking a little damage and making him have to un-afk between hastes.

Besides, the faster the mobs die, the less damage you take.

[Sev]

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[Therin]

I remember a party with Khrno in which we both went DRK/SAM, full-timed Hasso and used Souleater often. During the entire party the mages never went below half MP, and the poor WAR/NIN that we brought with us got absolutely walked in damage.

Here was the parse:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...se10-10-07.png

Tredecim Scythe and E.Body vs. Algol and Ares's Cuirass, I was using the latter.