Dynamis drops

[Vigilia]

File was created on March 5, 2006. Also, it was a single goblin that dropped those. Mostly the reason why I screen-shotted that event.

<Suiram> -ga = AF

Are you sure you didn't kill two at once?

If there were two or more mobs killed at once the chatlog would say xxx defeats yyy as many times as there were mobs killed. As it is there's just one line of Maximtrueblade defeats Vanguard Ambusher. Could be lag or photoshop etc. of course though.

[Wizerd]

2 mobs died at once, or possibly 3 (notice there are 3 Ambushers). Chat logs can explain the lack of someone defeating the other mob (they didn't necessarily have to die to the same move or spell, just at the same time). If the first one died to a spell, it's possible the defeat message is actually after the screenshot, because it waited for the animation to finish, and we all know how fast Dynamis can spam through sometimes.

Edit: Looked at the screenshot again, it looks like there was plenty of time afterwards, so it must have been the log glitching or something. Notice there are no targets called after that one dies, implying everything was dead. Anyone who takes that long to target something new should stop tanking in dynamis. <_<

[Izzy]

I've seen two AF drop from one mob 3 or 4 times in my dynamis career, it can definitely happen.

I wish there were more screenshots other than this one. I've NEVER seen this happen before EVER.

[Max™]

I gotta go with that too.

Never seen two drop from one mob, though I have seen them explode with moneys/an af before.

[Naver]

File was created on March 5, 2006. Also, it was a single goblin that dropped those. Mostly the reason why I screen-shotted that event.

<Suiram> -ga = AF

Are you sure you didn't kill two at once?

Yep really sure. The leader that ran this dynamis linkshell in the picture was really anal about doing things right. Fighting one mob at a time (with 2-3 alliances mind you), BLMs on statues until the statues were dead, then they would usually assist the main tank type of things. But just as a poster above me said, if more than 1 goblin died, you would've seen xxx defeats yyy in the screen-shot too. I don't blame you for being pessimistic, especially since you are part of the most renown dynamis linkshell across all servers.

[Izzy]

I don't blame you for being pessimistic, especially since you are part of the most renown dynamis linkshell across all servers.

Well, you know how the poidh shit works. You always want more than one random screenshot showing something before you consider it haha. I'm just saying I've NEVER seen that in almost 400 runs haha. If your post is true, then after that dropped, you should have went and bought a lottery ticket before that shit even left the pool rofl.

[Secksi]

From what I've seen (and I may be wrong), AF2 always drops in the final slot of the mobs treasure pool. This prevents you from obtaining two pieces of AF2 from a single mob. I dont often pay attention to this, but when I do, its always the last thing in the list.

Xavierus

Don't sign your posts, it's annoying as hell and bannable.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4388 ... 723rd9.jpg

From last night. I'll screenshot more AF drops with items/weapons to see what slot they always take up.

Actually I don't think it is, unless it's mentioned somewhere else. When I suggested it in this thread about halfway down, all I got was some faggot giving me shit and eventually someone in BG calling me petty.

As far as the double drop, I was thinking CoP zones, but that's always(in my experience) an AF and a -1, never seen 2 AF from one mob.

[Wizerd]

From what I've seen (and I may be wrong), AF2 always drops in the final slot of the mobs treasure pool. This prevents you from obtaining two pieces of AF2 from a single mob. I dont often pay attention to this, but when I do, its always the last thing in the list.

Xavierus

Don't sign your posts, it's annoying as hell and bannable.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4388 ... 723rd9.jpg

From last night. I'll screenshot more AF drops with items/weapons to see what slot they always take up.

Actually I don't think it is, unless it's mentioned somewhere else. When I suggested it in this thread about halfway down, all I got was some faggot giving me shit and eventually someone in BG calling me petty.

As far as the double drop, I was thinking CoP zones, but that's always(in my experience) an AF and a -1, never seen 2 AF from one mob.

Correct. And based on the frequency you see double drops in CoP zones (of accessory + -1), you would think everyone woulda seen a double drop in a city before. But we haven't, because it can't happen.

Edit: Most people don't realize this, but there are only 300 monsters in any RotZ Dynamis zone. With about 10-20 AF average in a city, that's a drop rate somewhere in the 3-6% range. I would guess ~4%. The same holds true in Xarcabard and Beaucedine when you compare it to how many mobs you kill.

So if you're looking at a 4.00% drop rate, that gives a 0.16% chance of a double drop.. so one in 625? if I got that right. So at least a couple times a year? Maybe less frequent than I figured originally, but frequent enough that more than one person would be able to provide a screenshot for it.

[Izzy]

From what I've seen (and I may be wrong), AF2 always drops in the final slot of the mobs treasure pool. This prevents you from obtaining two pieces of AF2 from a single mob. I dont often pay attention to this, but when I do, its always the last thing in the list.

Xavierus

Don't sign your posts, it's annoying as hell and bannable.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4388 ... 723rd9.jpg

From last night. I'll screenshot more AF drops with items/weapons to see what slot they always take up.

Actually I don't think it is, unless it's mentioned somewhere else. When I suggested it in this thread about halfway down, all I got was some faggot giving me shit and eventually someone in BG calling me petty.

As far as the double drop, I was thinking CoP zones, but that's always(in my experience) an AF and a -1, never seen 2 AF from one mob.

Correct. And based on the frequency you see double drops in CoP zones (of accessory + -1), you would think everyone woulda seen a double drop in a city before. But we haven't, because it can't happen.

Edit: Most people don't realize this, but there are only 300 monsters in any RotZ Dynamis zone. With about 10-20 AF average in a city, that's a drop rate somewhere in the 3-6% range. I would guess ~4%. The same holds true in Xarcabard and Beaucedine when you compare it to how many mobs you kill.

So if you're looking at a 4.00% drop rate, that gives a 0.16% chance of a double drop.. so one in 625? if I got that right. So at least a couple times a year? Maybe less frequent than I figured originally, but frequent enough that more than one person would be able to provide a screenshot for it.

We've gotten 1400+ pieces of AF and I'm pretty sure you're right as well. We would have seen it happen at least twice by now. Certainly not NEVER if it was possible. There's other LS's I know that have been doing Dynamis almost as long as us, and they have also never experienced this.

[Suiram]

I think that was multiple goblins as well ;x My memory isn't that great but I do vaguely recall it, and what's more I wouldn't have said "-ga = AF" if we hadn't -gaed! It is true that the LS killed stuff slowly one at a time like you said, but if you remember that's why the BLMs mutinied and started AOE killing packs of mobs every city run. Then people cried that it lowered the drop rate (when really they were pissed that the mob they had just engaged suddenly dropped dead) so the "-ga = AF" theme was a response to that. lol Those were fun times.

[Suiram]

Update! Thank Nivlakian and his epic reservoir of screenshots.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5...8415782ls9.jpg

[Naver]

What's odd is in my screen-shot, I don't see Aviendah killing goblins, but yet I can see Maximtrueblade's killing shot even though he's not in my alliance. Still it's hard to tell with Nivlakian's screen-shot, though I suppose Suiram has once again proven my wrong. So what's the final result then? 1 AF from 1 Goblin and 2 coins and 1 AF from another? Still pretty hard to tell since the log is spammed with a bunch shit. Even though I was pretty sure those dropped from Maximtrueblade's kill, guess lag got the best of me on that one, my apologies!

[Wizerd]

I don't think Maximtrueblade's kill dropped anything at all. It's off the screen from where the BLMs were.

[Xanthu]

this help?

[rath]

From what I've seen (and I may be wrong), AF2 always drops in the final slot of the mobs treasure pool. This prevents you from obtaining two pieces of AF2 from a single mob. I dont often pay attention to this, but when I do, its always the last thing in the list.

Xavierus

Don't sign your posts, it's annoying as hell and bannable.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4388 ... 723rd9.jpg

From last night. I'll screenshot more AF drops with items/weapons to see what slot they always take up.

Actually I don't think it is, unless it's mentioned somewhere else. When I suggested it in this thread about halfway down, all I got was some faggot giving me shit and eventually someone in BG calling me petty.

As far as the double drop, I was thinking CoP zones, but that's always(in my experience) an AF and a -1, never seen 2 AF from one mob.

Correct. And based on the frequency you see double drops in CoP zones (of accessory + -1), you would think everyone woulda seen a double drop in a city before. But we haven't, because it can't happen.

Edit: Most people don't realize this, but there are only 300 monsters in any RotZ Dynamis zone. With about 10-20 AF average in a city, that's a drop rate somewhere in the 3-6% range. I would guess ~4%. The same holds true in Xarcabard and Beaucedine when you compare it to how many mobs you kill.

So if you're looking at a 4.00% drop rate, that gives a 0.16% chance of a double drop.. so one in 625? if I got that right. So at least a couple times a year? Maybe less frequent than I figured originally, but frequent enough that more than one person would be able to provide a screenshot for it.

We've gotten 1400+ pieces of AF and I'm pretty sure you're right as well. We would have seen it happen at least twice by now. Certainly not NEVER if it was possible. There's other LS's I know that have been doing Dynamis almost as long as us, and they have also never experienced this.

In almost 2 years, and 1200+ drops, we have never seen this either. We had one incident we thought was double drops, but it turned out blms killed the same type of mob at the same time.

On another note, we had our best xarca run last night and got 11 af2, no pld though /cry.

[Izzy]

this help?

That'll do pig...that'll do...

Thanks <3

[Havok]

oops, forgot i posted here, i'll look through my massive screenshot folder and see if i can find double AF drops ><