War on Drugs in US(DEA)

[Chreman]

And god damn, the government is allowed to do what it thinks is right for America. It doesn't have to be specifically said in one document.

And this is what's wrong with America.

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[Kiro]

[quote=Howard Roark]

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times, thanks.

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[Odon]

Honestly the war on drugs is a joke in my eyes, I'm a student at NYU, I'm pre-med with a 3.9 GPA, If I feel like taking some E I should be damn well able to. And I do.

Fuck the DEA.

[archibaldcrane]

4. HOW?

For the same reason that all legal and regulated items are safer than their black market counterparts: warning labels, quality control, and company accountability. Think about how dangerous black market aspirin would be, but do you ever worry when you're popping one for a bad headache?

Dealers get shot for bad drugs. Can't get more accountable than that.

Maxx, don't be daft. If you think that the safety of any drug that is now illegal wouldn't improve, in some cases significantly, in the event that it became legal, you are lying to yourself. The ability to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with, etc. and having these things clearly labeled for the consumer would make currently illegal drugs, especially coke and heroin, significantly safer.

Your counterargument is ridiculous and retarded.

[Brendanv]

And god damn, the government is allowed to do what it thinks is right for America. It doesn't have to be specifically said in one document.

And this is what's wrong with America.

[Delta_9]

Speaking of drugs...

Hello Kitty is corrupting our youth!

http://www.kittyhell.com/2008/04/17/hel ... y-cocaine/

[Maxxthepenguin]

4. HOW?

For the same reason that all legal and regulated items are safer than their black market counterparts: warning labels, quality control, and company accountability. Think about how dangerous black market aspirin would be, but do you ever worry when you're popping one for a bad headache?

Dealers get shot for bad drugs. Can't get more accountable than that.

Maxx, don't be daft. If you think that the safety of any drug that is now illegal wouldn't improve, in some cases significantly, in the event that it became legal, you are lying to yourself. The ability to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with, etc. and having these things clearly labeled for the consumer would make currently illegal drugs, especially coke and heroin, significantly safer.

Your counterargument is ridiculous and retarded.

The constitution doesn't allow for the government to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with etc.

Not that I think that's a valid argument. We shouldn't contradict the constitution, but we shouldn't be chained to it.

I'm not sure how much safer Heroine would be if regulated, but I'm fairly positive that cocaine isn't going to get safer.

[Correction]

And it would allow an industry to be made, one which would advertise.

Do you think it would a good thing to have people whose jobs it is to get people addicted using mass market tools?

Wow, I found the one person on earth who was actually convinced by those TRUTH ads.

Yeah this doesn't exist, right?

[archibaldcrane]

And it would allow an industry to be made, one which would advertise.

Do you think it would a good thing to have people whose jobs it is to get people addicted using mass market tools?

Wow, I found the one person on earth who was actually convinced by those TRUTH ads.

Yeah this doesn't exist, right?

We regulate the fuck out of cigarette advertising (hence why most of us have never seen a cigarette ad on television in our lives) - why do you think we couldn't do so even moreso with other drugs?

[Odon]

4. HOW?

For the same reason that all legal and regulated items are safer than their black market counterparts: warning labels, quality control, and company accountability. Think about how dangerous black market aspirin would be, but do you ever worry when you're popping one for a bad headache?

Dealers get shot for bad drugs. Can't get more accountable than that.

Maxx, don't be daft. If you think that the safety of any drug that is now illegal wouldn't improve, in some cases significantly, in the event that it became legal, you are lying to yourself. The ability to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with, etc. and having these things clearly labeled for the consumer would make currently illegal drugs, especially coke and heroin, significantly safer.

Your counterargument is ridiculous and retarded.

The constitution doesn't allow for the government to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with etc.

Not that I think that's a valid argument. We shouldn't contradict the constitution, but we shouldn't be chained to it.

I'm not sure how much safer Heroine would be if regulated, but I'm fairly positive that cocaine isn't going to get safer.

Pretty much all Heroin and Cocaine is cut with stuff, the problem with allowing a non-adulterated smack/coke into the system is people are use to a certain dose, a lot of which isn't the coke or heroin, if you give them pure stuff, they are going to OD..

[Correction]

And it would allow an industry to be made, one which would advertise.

Do you think it would a good thing to have people whose jobs it is to get people addicted using mass market tools?

Wow, I found the one person on earth who was actually convinced by those TRUTH ads.

Yeah this doesn't exist, right?

We regulate the fuck out of cigarette advertising (hence why most of us have never seen a cigarette ad on television in our lives) - why do you think we couldn't do so even moreso with other drugs?

The government can't even put out new pain medication without killing people, after billions have been spent selling it to people on medicare and after billions of revenue have been cashed. You trust this same government to put out 'safe' heroin and cocaine? Give me a fucking break...

[Maxxthepenguin]

[quote=Odon]

4. HOW?

For the same reason that all legal and regulated items are safer than their black market counterparts: warning labels, quality control, and company accountability. Think about how dangerous black market aspirin would be, but do you ever worry when you're popping one for a bad headache?

Dealers get shot for bad drugs. Can't get more accountable than that.

Maxx, don't be daft. If you think that the safety of any drug that is now illegal wouldn't improve, in some cases significantly, in the event that it became legal, you are lying to yourself. The ability to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with, etc. and having these things clearly labeled for the consumer would make currently illegal drugs, especially coke and heroin, significantly safer.

Your counterargument is ridiculous and retarded.

The constitution doesn't allow for the government to control dose, active ingredients, what it's mixed with etc.

Not that I think that's a valid argument. We shouldn't contradict the constitution, but we shouldn't be chained to it.

I'm not sure how much safer Heroine would be if regulated, but I'm fairly positive that cocaine isn't going to get safer.

Pretty much all Heroin and Cocaine is cut with stuff, the problem with allowing a non-adulterated smack/coke into the system is people are use to a certain dose, a lot of which isn't the coke or heroin, if you give them pure stuff, they are going to OD..[/quote:2klkb5wh]

The stuff is obscenely addictive, both psychologically (don't say that doesn't count when psychological addiction frequently ruins lives). I could easily see good advertisers being able to convince people to try it once. One time is much more seductive for those drugs than for things like cigarettes and alcohol.

[Odon]

Eh, I think a lot of the stuff is hyped up. I've gotten a heroin cut E pill and I've also tried coke.
From my experiences both are a waste of time / money, But it does and will ruin lives. It's not shit to mess around with and there is no need for it to exist.

[archibaldcrane]

The stuff is obscenely addictive, both psychologically (don't say that doesn't count when psychological addiction frequently ruins lives). I could easily see good advertisers being able to convince people to try it once. One time is much more seductive for those drugs than for things like cigarettes and alcohol.

We could just not allow advertising for the newly legal drugs.

Look out, my solutions are out of this world!

[archibaldcrane]

You trust this same government to put out 'safe' heroin and cocaine? Give me a fucking break...

There's no such thing as 'safe' heroin and cocaine. That strawman is getting tired of being kicked around though.

'Safer than the current, completely unregulated product' is relative.

[Maxxthepenguin]

The stuff is obscenely addictive, both psychologically (don't say that doesn't count when psychological addiction frequently ruins lives). I could easily see good advertisers being able to convince people to try it once. One time is much more seductive for those drugs than for things like cigarettes and alcohol.

We could just not allow advertising for the newly legal drugs.

Look out, my solutions are out of this world!

How do you disallow advertising on the whole? I mean would stores not be allowed to advertise their products?

[Maxxthepenguin]

You trust this same government to put out 'safe' heroin and cocaine? Give me a fucking break...

There's no such thing as 'safe' heroin and cocaine. That strawman is getting tired of being kicked around though.

'Safer than the current, completely unregulated product' is relative.

^needs a QFT

[archibaldcrane]

The stuff is obscenely addictive, both psychologically (don't say that doesn't count when psychological addiction frequently ruins lives). I could easily see good advertisers being able to convince people to try it once. One time is much more seductive for those drugs than for things like cigarettes and alcohol.

We could just not allow advertising for the newly legal drugs.

Look out, my solutions are out of this world!

How do you disallow advertising on the whole? I mean would stores not be allowed to advertise their products?

Sure. Put it into law, and voila. Cigarettes can't advertise on TV, coke and heroin can't advertise anywhere ever.

[Odon]

How about legalizing a drug that actually has the potential to help people, That being MDMA, theres been research going on by MAPS for treating post traumatic stress with it and this would actually benefit people.

[Correction]

The stuff is obscenely addictive, both psychologically (don't say that doesn't count when psychological addiction frequently ruins lives). I could easily see good advertisers being able to convince people to try it once. One time is much more seductive for those drugs than for things like cigarettes and alcohol.

We could just not allow advertising for the newly legal drugs.

Look out, my solutions are out of this world!

How do you disallow advertising on the whole? I mean would stores not be allowed to advertise their products?

Sure. Put it into law, and voila. Cigarettes can't advertise on TV, coke and heroin can't advertise anywhere ever.

Step 1: Ban advertising of legalized coke/heroin
Step 2: ????
Step 3: No lives are ever destroyed by legalized coke/heroin.

I don't see it.