Gorget & One-hit WS Acc

[Max™]

I'm missing where it's accepted that lower number of hits gets more out of gorget.

From what I see, it's a PCC that provides a unique damage bonus.

When was it tested that the Gorget doesn't work on the other hits?

Now that kirschy did that math for me, I'll go later and try and watch for missed first hit returns and get a damage range for them.

[Seid]

well I am saying the gorget seems to be better for lower hit weaponskills in comparison to torques... basically the direct damage bonus and accuracy added to the first hit seems like it is more benefitial than using the torque for mods when the WS only has 1-2hits... considering info like a gorget being equal to around +15 STR for Y/G/K, that would indicate the DMG bonus from the gorget is better than Justice Torque... now if you have multi-hit WSs where they have more than 1-2 attacks, then getting mods on all of them seems like it would win out... I think Sechs had a decent summary of it on the last page that made sense, but again tough to know 100%, alot of this semi-proven theory. I think the exception to the above is with THF using Love Torque (Aurik pointed this out i believe) because you get to double dip on DEX with SA and WS mods.

edit: Kirschy had a post on the first page where he said he was able to test Guillo to determine the ftp bonus didnt apply to hits passed the first one but standard ws mods did apply.

[Kirschy]

Yea, when pdif capped at 3.0 w/o criticals I was able to test for sure that ftp didn't transfer over on the subsequent hits. It would seem this is the case anyway... in the scenario of missing your first hit but landing a DA on a 1-hit WS, the damage is always much higher than a normal hit. This is because the mods will transfer to all hits of the WS, while ftp is only transfered to the first. If I recall Naga tested this a long time before me /w Backhand blow, with the same results.

[Max™]

Hmmm, was doing some tests on the bats again, same setup but with chiv swapped for 3 str elsewhere and gorget in it's place.

Took a while to get some 1%'s (the gorget acc showing up) but I did get one 415 which fits normal 1.0 ftp crits, though is high end, and 1 335, which didn't seem to fit.

Either way, adding 30-40 Dmg to the first hit+Acc across them all is going to be hard to beat in most cases.

[Kirschy]

On lower mobs like that, your WS accuracy is going to be capped at 95%, so you wouldn't notice the gorget acting on acc. You'll miss the first hit about once every twenty times.

As for the 335, it's just a non-critical hit. When I ran my tests outside I forced the first hit to land and critical /w sneak attack as it pushes the pdif into a very small range. When running tests w/o Sneak Attack on a tp-based critical WS, you'll have to filter out the criticals and non-crticals.

[Max™]

I wish I missed the first hit 1/20, I've been killing gigas bats all morning, tping on the mobs in the area, got whittled down to 550/1180 Hp from 3-7 dmg hits here and there, and missed 2 first hits in the 3 hours I was in there.

Yeah, the 335 I could tell was a non-crit, it just stood out cause it didn't fit with the other non-crits, was the highest non-crit I recall.

[Seid]

Either way, adding 30-40 Dmg to the first hit+Acc across them all is going to be hard to beat in most cases.

This is one reason why I said the gorget would *seem* to be better for 1-2hit style WS because you get the immediate and direct DMG boost and you get a bit of ACC on the second hit with mods kicking in, but since you only have a small number of hits passed the first one, then you arent missing out on say 4 extra hits with torque bonuses applied... and on multi-hit skills my train of thought was that since you have more hits after the first 2, then you might as well add the torque bonus to all of the hits and have it all add up. Mods are going to apply in either case... this is just theory of course and in my case when talking about THF, it may not apply considering SA's bonus anyway.

[Max™]

With Raging Rush, I'd be trading around 3 Accuracy, and 30-40 potential damage on the first hit, for 7 Attack which is unlikely to impact pDif enough to add 30-40 damage across all the hits.

Or, 5 Acc/30-40 first hit, for 3 Str which is a wash, dropping Chiv out of the running.

PCC has the same Acc, but no damage bonus whatsoever, so that's not going to win.

Nothing else really plays in the same league, even that Einherjar necklace thing with 4 str/4 dex wouldn't help except possibly it would put you over a crit tier while adding the fStr/WS mod boost of 4 Str.

So basically, will 7 attack across all hits add more than Gorget will add to the first hit, and is it enough on average to give up 3~4 Accuracy?