Is it murder?

[miokomioko]

THE GUNMAN DID US ALL A FAVOR

[Tricen]

DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR.










DO NOT TALK TO STRANGERS.

[Correction]

lol @ pro-choice people saying this is murder

lol

lol @ anti-choice people making anti-abortion hay out of a heinous crime.

lol

[Demosthenes11]

who says im pro-life/anti-choice?

[Correction]

who says im pro-life/anti-choice?

So you support abortion?

[Keno]

who says im pro-life/anti-choice?

So you support abortion?

Who doesn't?

[Demosthenes11]

I don't think anybody supports abortion
To me, it's a necessary thing. That doesn't mean I would do it, but I don't think people that do it are bad people

[Keno]

I don't think anybody supports abortion
To me, it's a necessary thing. That doesn't mean I would do it, but I don't think people that do it are bad people

I think that's what everyone means when they say they "support abortion". I don't think anyone actually supports abortion to the extent that they actively get pregnant to get abortions. At least I don't think so...

[BIGSTIC]

Try telling that to a right-wing pro-life person who keeps comparing it to an abortion

Except she didn't choose to abort her children. This "person" of yours is an idiot.

Sry fell asleep. But yeah thats what we kept telling him. It wasnt her choice. But he believes that Dr. Laura is the second coming of christ(just to show how right wing he is) and that this is truely no different than aborting a child. Now yeah you would say I am pro-life/ride-the-line but I also understand the difference between this and abortion because with the later there is a choice that an individuale gets to make. Our legal system that we have chosen to place in authority has said that abortion is a choice that can be legally made up to a certain point. You want that to change, vote for somebody else. Hence why I asked the question and I also have to say the minute I heard the news today I thought "Hmm this could be a good can of worms"

[Keno]

Try telling that to a right-wing pro-life person who keeps comparing it to an abortion

Except she didn't choose to abort her children. This "person" of yours is an idiot.

Sry fell asleep. But yeah thats what we kept telling him. It wasnt her choice. But he believes that Dr. Laura is the second coming of christ(just to show how right wing he is) and that this is truely no different than aborting a child. Now yeah you would say I am pro-life/ride-the-line but I also understand the difference between this and abortion because with the later there is a choice that an individuale gets to make. Our legal system that we have chosen to place in authority has said that abortion is a choice that can be legally made up to a certain point. You want that to change, vote for somebody else. Hence why I asked the question and I also have to say the minute I heard the news today I thought "Hmm this could be a good can of worms"

So abortion is OK because the mother makes the choice? So mothers are allowed to kill their own children? You can't call this murder without calling abortion murder. And if you call abortion murder then that's an entirely different subject.

[Turambar]

I think in cases like this it should definitely be considered murder, but legally I don't think it is. The way the law considers unborn children, the guy can probably only be charged with attempted murder on the woman and 1st or 2nd degree abortion for the babies.

[Tricen]

This reminds me of the "should it be ok to have your kids circumsized?" debate. Just wait til they're 18 and ask them if they wanted to be aborted.

[Keno]

I think in cases like this it should definitely be considered murder, but legally I don't think it is. The way the law considers unborn children, the guy can probably only be charged with attempted murder on the woman and 1st or 2nd degree abortion for the babies.

1st and 2nd degree abortion? Que es eso?

[Demosthenes11]

So abortion is OK because the mother makes the choice? So mothers are allowed to kill their own children? You can't call this murder without calling abortion murder. And if you call abortion murder then that's an entirely different subject.

/thread

[Turambar]

I think in cases like this it should definitely be considered murder, but legally I don't think it is. The way the law considers unborn children, the guy can probably only be charged with attempted murder on the woman and 1st or 2nd degree abortion for the babies.

1st and 2nd degree abortion? Que es eso?

Most states, as far as I know, have laws dealing with cases of involuntary abortion like this. (Involuntary on the part of the woman I mean). It's a fairly logical law to have, since it prevents a pissed off guy who doesn't want a pregnant girl from intentionally causing her to miscarry.

[Keno]

I think in cases like this it should definitely be considered murder, but legally I don't think it is. The way the law considers unborn children, the guy can probably only be charged with attempted murder on the woman and 1st or 2nd degree abortion for the babies.

1st and 2nd degree abortion? Que es eso?

Most states, as far as I know, have laws dealing with cases of involuntary abortion like this. (Involuntary on the part of the woman I mean). It's a fairly logical law to have, since it prevents a pissed off guy who doesn't want a pregnant girl from intentionally causing her to miscarry.

I am not familiar with that law. Care to cite it?

[Quicklet]

I think that's what everyone means when they say they "support abortion". I don't think anyone actually supports abortion to the extent that they actively get pregnant to get abortions. At least I don't think so...

I present to you Exhibit A.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32763

[Keno]

I think that's what everyone means when they say they "support abortion". I don't think anyone actually supports abortion to the extent that they actively get pregnant to get abortions. At least I don't think so...

I present to you Exhibit A.

http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32763

Yeah that turned out to be not true if you didn't know.

[BIGSTIC]

Try telling that to a right-wing pro-life person who keeps comparing it to an abortion

Except she didn't choose to abort her children. This "person" of yours is an idiot.

Sry fell asleep. But yeah thats what we kept telling him. It wasnt her choice. But he believes that Dr. Laura is the second coming of christ(just to show how right wing he is) and that this is truely no different than aborting a child. Now yeah you would say I am pro-life/ride-the-line but I also understand the difference between this and abortion because with the later there is a choice that an individuale gets to make. Our legal system that we have chosen to place in authority has said that abortion is a choice that can be legally made up to a certain point. You want that to change, vote for somebody else. Hence why I asked the question and I also have to say the minute I heard the news today I thought "Hmm this could be a good can of worms"

So abortion is OK because the mother makes the choice? So mothers are allowed to kill their own children? You can't call this murder without calling abortion murder. And if you call abortion murder then that's an entirely different subject.

I said abortion is ok because the leagal sytem that we/our parents put in place said it was ok. And yes that legal system said the mother has the choice. This is murder to me because it was never her choice.

I know its a lame comparison but:
Situation 1) You get a can of spray paint and write "Obama 08" on your cars trunk=totally legal
Situation 2) Vandel spray paints "Obama 08" on your car=very illegal

In situation 1 it was your CHOICE. Not saying its the right thing but legally you can do it.

[Turambar]

I think in cases like this it should definitely be considered murder, but legally I don't think it is. The way the law considers unborn children, the guy can probably only be charged with attempted murder on the woman and 1st or 2nd degree abortion for the babies.

1st and 2nd degree abortion? Que es eso?

Most states, as far as I know, have laws dealing with cases of involuntary abortion like this. (Involuntary on the part of the woman I mean). It's a fairly logical law to have, since it prevents a pissed off guy who doesn't want a pregnant girl from intentionally causing her to miscarry.

I am not familiar with that law. Care to cite it?

I'm not about to search 50 states worth of laws, but I found New York's with one google query:
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article125.htm

Relevant sections are 125.40 .45 .50 .55 and .60.