Best earring combo for Ridill WAR/NIN

[Yohan]

I keep struggling with the best combos for earrings with my Ridill war/nin.... what do others use/suggest?

Using Maneater/Ridill

Currently I TP with assault / suppa
and WS with assault / brutal

A part of me wants to TP with brutal full-time.

Any input is appreciated.

[RKenshin]

TP: Brutal + Supp
WS: Brutal + Assault

Assuming 33% balance between one/two/three swings, you only have a 1.7% chance of Brutal causing your Ridill to attack twice when it otherwise would've attacked three times. Which is balanced out by the 1.7% chance of Brutal causing your Ridill to attack twice when it otherwise would've attacked once.

I haven't done Ridill math in a while, forgot most of the tests concerning the balance of one/two/three swings. But I know that we can assume with reasonable accuracy that DA overwrites Ridill swings, as Sea has shown.

Even if those assumptions in the first paragraph are incorrect, you'll get 5 extra swings every 100 rounds on your Axe thanks to Brutal. For this to cancel itself out on the Ridill side, that 5% DA would all have to occur on Ridill x3 proc swings, which is incredibly low odds.

Factoring in slightly higher chance of mob dieing before 3 hits are completed and accuracy, it's even more in favor of Brutal. There's really no circumstance I can think up where there would be any doubt over it helping you, and more than any other alternative.

[orson]

It's hard to say brutal will increase your Axe double att but do absolutely nothing for Ridill. Unless you're capped acc and eating meat (unlikely) I'd say get a +acc earring to go with Suppa and just macro in brutal for WS (again depending on acc.)

[RKenshin]

It's really no competition lol.

Even if it does absolutely nothing for Ridill, and I be extremely generous and say that Assault Earring will increase your accuracy by 1%, and your damage/hit by 3, it still loses. I can't emphasize enough how generous that is.

Base Case
- 90% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2698 hits
- 90 damage/hit

Total: 242820 damage

Brutal
- 90% accuracy
- 15% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 3148 swings : 2833 hits
- 90 damage/hit

Total: 254970 damage

Assault
- 91% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2728 hits
- 93 damage/hit

Total: 253740 damage

So even under extremely unlikely, and extremely in favor circumstances it lost. In reality, I feel this is way more accurate... With assault giving .5% accuracy, and maybe a 1.5 damage/hit increase.

Assault
- 90.5% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2728 hits
- 91.5 damage/hit

Total: 248239 damage

Losing by 3%, difference is probably still bigger in a real PT.

[orson]

That's all based on the fact that he has 90% acc though depending on merits, gear, and food it could be lower. The less accuracy he has the less efficient using +DA is. I wasn't necessarily thinking 100% assault earring anyways, stuff like Hollow Earring has a bit more acc though I guess you would lose out on the att. Regularly I'd say Brutal Earring > all but in the case of Ridill wielders it seems tougher to call based on how low the damage differences are. Obviously if he's got decent acc then it is going to be superior as you've shown though basically that was mostly I trying to say (if his acc was good go brutal.)

[Havok]

Definitely brutal.

If acc isn't very good you should just change to great axe anyway.

[eva00r]

Definitely brutal.

If acc isn't very good you should just change to great axe anyway.

You can't do that because the 20 merit points limitation on weapon skills.

[orson]

Definitely brutal.

If acc isn't very good you should just change to great axe anyway.

You can't do that because the 20 merit points limitation on weapon skills.

I really hope they're increasing the limits on merit points next update not just Dnc and Sch JSMs but who am I kidding.

[RKenshin]

That's all based on the fact that he has 90% acc though depending on merits, gear, and food it could be lower. The less accuracy he has the less efficient using +DA is. I wasn't necessarily thinking 100% assault earring anyways, stuff like Hollow Earring has a bit more acc though I guess you would lose out on the att. Regularly I'd say Brutal Earring > all but in the case of Ridill wielders it seems tougher to call based on how low the damage differences are. Obviously if he's got decent acc then it is going to be superior as you've shown though basically that was mostly I trying to say (if his acc was good go brutal.)

Nothing changes even at 80% acc.

The same percent change applied to both situations does not produce very different relational results at such small numbers. Which is all we're dealing with here, because obviously we're not going to compare them at 50% acc. Or really anything below 80% I'd hope.

See supporting math here:

Base Case
- 80% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2698 hits
- 90 damage/hit

Total: 215820 damage

Brutal
- 80% accuracy
- 15% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 3148 swings : 2518 hits
- 90 damage/hit

Total: 226620 damage

Assault
- 81% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2428 hits
- 93 damage/hit

Total: 225804 damage

So even under extremely unlikely, and extremely in favor circumstances it lost. In reality, I feel this is way more accurate... With assault giving .5% accuracy, and maybe a 1.5 damage/hit increase.

Assault
- 80.5% accuracy
- 10% DA
- 1000 attack rounds : 2998 swings : 2728 hits
- 91.5 damage/hit

Total: 220789 damage

Losing by 3%, difference is probably still bigger in a real PT.

Still a loss of approximately 3% in your melee damage output, whether at 90% acc or 80% acc. This is obviously much higher when you include weapon skills and such.

And again, this is likely bigger in merit PTs because outside factors are more in favor of Brutal's 5% DA than Ridill's overall damage.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

TP: Brutal + Supp
WS: Brutal + Assault

Assuming 33% balance between one/two/three swings, you only have a 1.7% chance of Brutal causing your Ridill to attack twice when it otherwise would've attacked three times. Which is balanced out by the 1.7% chance of Brutal causing your Ridill to attack twice when it otherwise would've attacked once.

I haven't done Ridill math in a while, forgot most of the tests concerning the balance of one/two/three swings. But I know that we can assume with reasonable accuracy that DA overwrites Ridill swings, as Sea has shown.

The multi hit distribution on Warrior was something along the lines of 30/50/20; it should be a pretty accurate estimate since Studio Gobli ran a test not too long ago which basically confirmed my previous data:

As for attack frequency occurrence ratio of ???? with 30:50:20 (...)

In addition to the stuff I had already posted on here several months ago I've also recently tested how Fighter's Roll affects the sword SA/DA/TA outcome and these were the results (seems like similarly to other rolls such as Chaos and Wizard's, DA roll effects get adjusted according to the level difference between the Corsair and his target), assuming anyone cares:

I finally got around to test the sword while 2-box'ing our Corsair mule who just recently reached Lv50:

1376 rounds of attacks (unless Notepad++ failed me again) while being under the effects of Fighter's Roll as War/Nin

COR rolled:

6, 9, 8, 4, 4, 7, 7, 5, 5, 7, 6, 8, 6, 7, 8, 8, 5, 10, 8, 5, 8, 6, 8, 6, 7, 7, 5, 6;


Ridill proc rate (+18%~ - assuming the final bonus gets dwindled down due to the difference between the Corsair's and the Ridill owner's level, respectively 50 and 75), read below for additional informations - ?): ? 26% single attacks, 59% double attacks, 15% triple attacks.

Don't take this for granite though.

That being said, I've always used either Suppa+Assault or Suppa+Pixie, relegating Brutal to my WS gearset (but I was also running a Haste/DEX/Acc heavy, Rid/Joy build more often than not which in fact made Brutal sorta pointless or null at best for TPgain).

[RKenshin]

As for attack frequency occurrence ratio of ???? with 30:50:20 (...)

Oh, nice. If this is true, then Brutal doesn't hurt Ridill. It's actually an extremely slight benefit, since it has a higher chance of overwriting single hits than triple hits.

Total swings in 1000 rounds: 1900

Total swings in 1000 rounds + brutal: 1905

The math at the start of my post also assumed 33/33/33, and that Brutal didn't help Ridill, so I'd have to change that. I also found a few mistakes in looking it over, so the final comparison is different. I'm about to head out for now though, so I'll redo the math sometime later maybe.

This also changes the Ridill zerg math though, since it was assumed it's a 1.5 average attack rate. But this means it's a 1.9 average attack rate.

[Ferien]

Searain's and others' tests showed that more DA actually lowered the Triple rate more than it lowered the Single rate, and in some cases didn't change the Single rate at all.

[RKenshin]

Ooh, nevermind then.

I have no idea how to explain this clearly, but I was assuming the weapon itself with no outside DA/TA factors was 30/50/20, where a if +DA was present it would overwrite those three categories evenly. But with those test results it would be a 50/20 chance of 2x/3x where DA could overwrite that entire chance. So this changes the distribution of the DA% and its effect against Brutal quite a bit.

Arrrg that changes math a lot. /lazy

Just eyeballing it, this change would likely put assault in match if not slightly ahead... But it's hard to tell. Flip a coin.

[Iremire]

Yoh i find myself just doing Brutal and Suppa for Tp and then changing in Brutal and Triumph for ws, but that's just me, im pretty sure keller and bovein also do this setup.

[fantasticdan]

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:rocl

[Charismatic]

Every time I see one of those, my urge to kill starts rising.
thanks fantasticdan.

[Baha]

I usually do Rid/Joy DEX heavy build, so Suppa/Pixie tp, Suppa/Brutal WS.
When I did use Axe/Rid it was Suppa/Assault tp, Assault/Brutal WS. Like half a year ago when I still had maneater, sold it for my angel skin habit. Q_Q

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Brutal/Suppa for TP
Brutal/Pixie for WS (im a crit whore)

though i do have an assault sitting in my mog house, might have to try it out.

[Max™]

Every time I see one of those, my urge to kill starts rising.
thanks fantasticdan.

D:

Everytime my MP gets filled up, my urge to kill starts rising.

No mage jobs, and I macro swap my turban MP away, yay for 225-10+9 Eva and -1 Att over Merman's though!

[Havok]

Definitely brutal.

If acc isn't very good you should just change to great axe anyway.

You can't do that because the 20 merit points limitation on weapon skills.

<_< even without merits a greataxe is more accurate than a fully merited ridill. Not really sure what your point is.