Jailer of Love help!

[Tavalin]

It's impossible to prevent the tank from stripping hate in any situation a DD can do enough damage to cap CE+VE. Once you cap, the mob is going to look at you regardless - all a tank can do is get it back as quickly as possibly recapping themselves.

You need to just double check how much damage the PLD was taking. I know it won't be 0s so you have to take that into account when worrying about hate. Even with this, from my experience, it's quite easy for DD to cap VE since it has so much HP... I can promise you your melee will cap CE quite quickly - at this point they will pull hate anytime they cap VE, which can be quite annoying.

Takes under 5 minutes for a juiced melee to cap on JoL.

The interesting phenomenon is what happens when a melee takes hate on JoL. Love usually has enough TP to use a move instantly, but since it is instantly within melee range and isn't in attack-cooldown, the first thing it does is attack. The damage dealt by this attack (300-1000+ if boosted) is virtually guaranteed to dissipate enough hate that it instantly turns back to the tank without using a close-range TP move.

However, if Love misses, gets parried, takes a shadow, gets countered, or if it isn't boosted and gets guarded, it may retain enough hate on the melee to use a weaponskill.

Sorry to bump this but didn't really think it deserved a new thread on its own. My LS has just started doing JoL in the last few weeks. I go sam/war and have pretty decent gear/fully meritted and have ended up 1-shot to the floor in both fights when JoL decides to crit hit me with a boost on. I've looked through the spell and JA enmity unit tables to try and understand hate from the plds side but I was wondering how to calculate my enmity based on my own damage.

I'm particularly interested in it in terms of CE and VE so I can guage how much I'm gaining per minute for example. Has there been any tests done on this already and/or can anyone give me a bit more information on anything like this?

[Seraph]

Wow, a whole thread about me. >.> Instead of making a massive quote-fest, I'll answer what I can remember here.

My spell cycle is Flash > Bind > Sleep > Dispel > Blind. I was doing a lot of self curing after spells to keep high hate levels. I was also curing anyone I could possibly find with missing HP (like when the BRD got unlucky and came close to me to ballad and ate spell damage). I would also Sentinel whenever it was up to effectively double the enmity generated by all spells cast during the duration. I highly highly doubt that my hate was the problem.

(I know it's sort of a necro, but noone really touched on this in detail previously...)

That's your problem right there. If your bind sticks, then JoL will start slapping the closest available target since the tank is out of range. This explains how a melee could swing once, and start getting pounded on. It also explains how the BLMs were not pulling hate. The tank was probably at the top of the hate list the entire time, but with Bind on the mob, it will swing at 'non priority' targets. I would take the spell out of your hate rotation if its a problem.

[Drunkenmonk]

a pld/rdm might land bind once a fight and thats being generous, that might be a problem if a rdm is tanking but nowai pld.

[Zidiane]

Dunno how old this thread is (Seing its near the top of the page), Even a rdm/nin with tank set up wont land bind, can do it on faf and other mobs, but no way on JoL. I really doubt a pld would -ever- land it. Blind being the same amount of VE tho, and such short recast timer, there isnt really a point to touch it, Dispel + Blind i use most of the time when i tank on rdm/nin (I use rdm/war for jol lol)

[Ahlah]

(I use rdm/war for jol lol)

What about RDM/PLD? Flash, shield bash, sentinel, autorefresh sounds more useful than Provoke and Defender

[Suiram]

Dunno how old this thread is (Seing its near the top of the page), Even a rdm/nin with tank set up wont land bind, can do it on faf and other mobs, but no way on JoL. I really doubt a pld would -ever- land it. Blind being the same amount of VE tho, and such short recast timer, there isnt really a point to touch it, Dispel + Blind i use most of the time when i tank on rdm/nin (I use rdm/war for jol lol)

There are two different kinds of ways an NM can be resistant to a debuff. There's the standard way, like where 95% of the time you will not land it, and there's the complete way, which many sea NMs have. For instance I don't believe it's possible (even that fraction of the time) to land slow or elegy on Ix'aern MNK, and most of the other NMs similarly have certain status effects that they outright resist.

That aside, I don't know if JoL has that kind of immunity to bind--or even if it's completely susceptible, which it may be. But whether bind lands easily or whether it resists 95% of the time, so long as he doesn't have that full immunity to it a PLD/RDM, or any job /RDM, will probably land one or two binds over the course of the fight if they're casting it often for hate. That's an interesting thought for what happened to the OP, it's funny that nobody else had even considered it.