Sneak and Invisible 100% effective?

[Wizrow]

Happened while getting the key item for brothers. Tractor -> raised my partner, sneak invis, then started going to the ???. I think Sneak and Invis are 100%, but glitchy stuff like this happens sometimes.

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And on that note: Why did sneak and invis fall when he started casting the spell? Shouldn't it have been up until the spell finished or am I wrong?

[Rydir]

Happened while getting the key item for brothers. Tractor -> raised my partner, sneak invis, then started going to the ???. I think Sneak and Invis are 100%, but glitchy stuff like this happens sometimes.

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And on that note: Why did sneak and invis fall when he started casting the spell? Shouldn't it have been up until the spell finished or am I wrong?

Wears off when u open chest/trade items to npc/???

opening coffers will remove sneak also.

[Spekkio]

Happened while getting the key item for brothers. Tractor -> raised my partner, sneak invis, then started going to the ???. I think Sneak and Invis are 100%, but glitchy stuff like this happens sometimes.

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And on that note: Why did sneak and invis fall when he started casting the spell? Shouldn't it have been up until the spell finished or am I wrong?

looks to me like he got aggro from the eye when he recast sneak but his buffs fell when he got faced by the spell. just a guess though.

[Osede]

One time I did get agro by a Fomor beastmaster outside of whitegate for no fucking reason with sneak on. But that's like.. once in five years or so? I'm gonna go with 100%.

If it IS a 99.99% chance of beating the detection roll, wouldn't that 1 in 10,000 chance sound about right over 5 years, and only for a minority of players?

because using some ja? Formor in ToAU area also aggro on ja instead of hp and sneak only.

[Not Kuno]

One time I did get agro by a Fomor beastmaster outside of whitegate for no fucking reason with sneak on. But that's like.. once in five years or so? I'm gonna go with 100%.

The fomors outside of whitegate aggro JAs, that might have been it?

No I was on blm. It was it's pet bat that agroed, then the fomor since I got to yellow (or maybe it just didnt reach me yet and bat hit me first idk). I thought someone might have linked a regular bat to it or something idk.

[evilpaul]

I got aggroed by the BRD+PLD one as BLM too because I'm too cheap w/ IS to warp to Halvung for my Mount Z solo. Maybe fomors just hate BLMs for some reason?

I didn't think BST pets aggro?

[Weeks]

I'm about 99% certain that the "true sight" Kindreds on Uleguerand Range are the result of you outrunning taurus aggro that you didn't realize you had. They, like the scorpions in Attohwa, will never give up and despawn. They take off after you at normal running speed. Every time they pass in front of a demon, that demon comes after you at demon running speed. The demons actually do give up and despawn before too long, but by the time they do, they've probably linked another demon or two. This keeps going and eventually a demon comes and starts smacking on you, usually killing you before the taurus you aggroed ever gets close enough for you to see it.

I used to think they were true sight too, and then 3 IT demons came running out of nowhere to kill my RDM up past Jormungand, and we pieced it together. Any time you get a taurus aggro, it's going to catch up to you somehow. Kill it, log out, or zone. You try to outrun it, and you're making things worse off.

[orson]

I got aggroed by the BRD+PLD one as BLM too because I'm too cheap w/ IS to warp to Halvung for my Mount Z solo. Maybe fomors just hate BLMs for some reason?

I didn't think BST pets aggro?

They don't usually.

[Zoot]

Happened while getting the key item for brothers. Tractor -> raised my partner, sneak invis, then started going to the ???. I think Sneak and Invis are 100%, but glitchy stuff like this happens sometimes.

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And on that note: Why did sneak and invis fall when he started casting the spell? Shouldn't it have been up until the spell finished or am I wrong?

Well, I posted this before, but on further observation of it I realized that the only other possibility of what happened in my picture would have been me removing my sneak effect myself, so I removed it. But, I screen-shotted the incident in particular because I remembered thinking that I had most definitely not done that. But then I thought, well, I might just not have been paying close enough attention after all.

However, the fact that this incident occurred in exactly the same area with the same exact effect made me a little curious. It's probably that we both made this mistake, but the fact that both your sneak and your invisible wore off makes me doubt that you had actually manually canceled both. Possible glitch, lag, but still a very big coincidence.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ll826/whut.png

[Tirrock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5-16-00039.jpg

The only options were:
-I clicked sneak off myself.
-It was shadowbound, since bound monsters still aggroed things back then.
-Sneak isn't 100%

I remember the damn thing chasing me all the way to hall of gods though, so if it was bound it wore off at a poor time. I still lean towards bind though.

Before that, a friend of mine had a similar experience, but he was off in the middle of garliage where there's a lot less traffic. He called a GM and was told that sneak/invis can fail. It sounds a bit like avoiding work to me.

[Faxanadu]

Simple question, disregard True Sight/Sound mobs, just think about normal monsters.

Think about that moment you thought you had sneak up but got aggro anyway.

Maybe?

Great question. My personal belief is that there are certain mobs which are not true sight, but have a certain chance to detect you anyway. I've been doing Brothers ENM weekly for years, and have noticed this with Kindred Summoners in Ulegeurand Range. Most of the time they don't see you, but every once in a while, they seem to, even if there is no Molech anywhere near them to tip them off. And it's only ever happened to me with the summoners, not with the other Kindred wandering around that last area before Jormungand.

It seems to me it's happened before with other mobs, but Kindred Summoners just seem to jump to mind.

Same EXACT thing happened to me, i tried to explain it to my LS but they just laughed at me.

[Ksandra]

I always thought it was 100% but after reading these not too sure. Might be just lolSE's bad programming though.


Makes me wonder though if you're near a truesight mob and have invis on would it shorten the aggro range at all? Never thought to test it but it did just come to mind when reading this.

[Raineer]

After reading this thread, I might concede on the Kindreds in U.Range. I had this happen to me several times, and I was DAMN sure I didn't catch a Molech anywhere (and I was solo). I usually ran up the mountain assuming everything was true sight and that fixed it.

[_chuchu]

Same thing happened to me with a Kindred Summoner on the way to Jorm, nothing was around or close, had both sneak and invisible on and just casually ran in front of the K.SMN to avoid Molech aggro. I had NO warnings at all about sneak wearing or invis either, and I just cast sneak and invis before running out to go up the mountain.

[Velecic]

I can confirm the U Range Kindred Summoner, it's happened to me twice, and friends of mine twice while with me going to the Brothers ENM. Either it pops true sight sometimes, or it glitches out. I've only ever seen it with this one mob, but it's the one in the open area before the final ramp to Jormungand's area (the one everyone is talking about). Glad to see I'm not crazy and others have seen it happen too lol. Every other zone / mob I've never had a problem with sneak / invis working 100%.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

So no examples without ts mobs in zone/nearby, ja aggro mobs or pre bind patch? IMO 100%.


although next time I get aggro I'm pointing at this thead saying it's not 100%!!!!

[Sifer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5-16-00039.jpg

The only options were:
-I clicked sneak off myself.
-It was shadowbound, since bound monsters still aggroed things back then.
-Sneak isn't 100%

I remember the damn thing chasing me all the way to hall of gods though, so if it was bound it wore off at a poor time. I still lean towards bind though.

Before that, a friend of mine had a similar experience, but he was off in the middle of garliage where there's a lot less traffic. He called a GM and was told that sneak/invis can fail. It sounds a bit like avoiding work to me.

that looks like magic aggro to me. "the ominus weapon starts casting stone II" seems to have aggroed you casting sneak (the first line in the log says that u gained the effect of sneak).

[Wafuru]

Something like this happened to me recently. I don't remember what it was exactly...but I was level 72 and I'd had sneak on a while, it started to wear...got the first warning, then bam, something aggro'd me. I remember it being vaguely embarrassing, but it was at least high enough to aggro in the first place, so there you go...

It might have been lag, but I wasn't lagging personally, so I'm not sure. I do remember my friends laughing at me about it though...

[Koyangi]

It is 100%, you either failed in your perception of distance from the mob (it aggroed you as you cast), or lag ate up a chat log and then just scrolling up you will always see it. Losing Sneak/Invis without any warnings means you were aggroed before the spell landed on you and then it hit you afterwards.

[buttson]

i've always been a silent oil/prism powder guy (or tonko/monomi when applicable) and i've never gotten unexpected aggro. i have seen alliance-mates get aggro with no warning of sneak/invis dropping though. to be honest, i always just assumed they missed the warnings, but this thread is making me think otherwise.

soooo tossing it out there, maybe magic sneak/invis are not 100%? all the other accuracies in this game are capped at *95%, so its not outlandish to look at that angle. item sneak/invis could be 95% too i reckon, but in my experience, it hasn't been.

anyone have a 15 whm sub?

*from what i've read