Is SSBB a good game? Y/N (Yahtzee split)

[Maxxthepenguin]

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A good, unsaid rule is that barring rereleases, ADVERTISING unlockables is fucking stupid. Having them is good fun but putting them on the back of the box without mentioning unlockable? Well, it's not hard to think of people getting pissed off when they get the game strictly for multiplayer. If it hypes people up for something then lets them down, it's bad. It hyped his friends up for Sonic and Snake being able to be played when he played multiplayer, it let him down.

Get it?

[BRP]

I could see why he was let down and why it would piss him off. I don't think that's very hard to understand at all. However to evaluate the game based on advertisement seems to go too far(I'm not talking about hype, so don't bring up that can of worms). I don't think(or at least) hope that was his intention for this point.

So let's say instead of starting with Olimar and Pokemon Trainer, you get Sonic and Solid Snake. Cool, but the quality of the game does not change. I'll admit Brawl is somewhat of a fanservice game, but that's not where most of its depth and appreciation comes from. In the end it wouldn't have mattered because the game still works on unlockables(music, trophies, stages, characters, even modes). A lot of games can get away with this, but Brawl must be a party game so it can't right?

It's fine he brought it up though. Actually good of him to do so since it is silly in my opinion. However it doesn't really justify/contribute to his conclusion on the game.

I would put it at the same level of saying "FF7 doesn't have the same music as it does in the commercial it ran"(which it doesn't, fuck!). Seems a little odd to even bring it up now.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I could see why he was let down and why it would piss him off. I don't think that's very hard to understand at all. However to evaluate the game based on advertisement seems to go too far(I'm not talking about hype, so don't bring up that can of worms). I don't think(or at least) hope that was his intention for this point.

I include hype in advertisement because, well, that's what it is. Snake and Sonic weren't advertised as hidden characters, they were advertised as characters in the game.

So let's say instead of starting with Olimar and Pokemon Trainer, you get Sonic and Solid Snake. Cool, but the quality of the game does not change.

If a game doesn't live up to the back of the box and the game isn't of such transcendental quality that it just surpasses all else then yes, the quality of the game does change because the quality of the experience changes and that is what reviewers should review.

In any case, if something frustrates the reviewer for what the reviewer considers needless reason then I can't think of a better reason to say the game has less quality. People wanted to break out SSBB and play as Sonic and Snake because Nintendo didn't tell them not to expect that. Nothing told them not to. Everyone told them they would be in the game unless they feverishly followed SSBB coverage.

I'll admit Brawl is somewhat of a fanservice game, but that's not where most of its depth and appreciation comes from. In the end it wouldn't have mattered because the game still works on unlockables(music, trophies, stages, characters, even modes). A lot of games can get away with this, but Brawl must be a party game so it can't right?

It's fine he brought it up though. Actually good of him to do so since it is silly in my opinion. However it doesn't really justify/contribute to his conclusion on the game.

I would put it at the same level of saying "FF7 doesn't have the same music as it does in the commercial it ran"(which it doesn't, fuck!). Seems a little odd to even bring it up now.

RPGs and fighting games are mostly different animals. If somebody wanted to start FFXI as a Blue Mage and wasn't properly informed beforehand that it would take many hours to unlock it, that would be a problem. Misleading advertising absolutely is detrimental to the experience. People go in with expectations. In a perfect world where we needed no advertising and no hype then no, it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately any honest reviewer has to account for it because reviews are recommendations to the reader, somebody who is probably inundated with such things.

[BRP]

What I meant in that it isn't hype is that SSBB delivers on the hype of having Sonic and Snake in the game. The hype was always based on the fact they were in it, not that you didn't need to unlock them. So it wasn't a failure to deliver on hype.

More importantly what I'm saying is that it's more like fluff/fanservice. Yahtzee said it was a game for fanboys though one of his complaints is something only (Sonic and MGS) fanboys could be upset about. It's really minor in the scale of things which would mean he would have to fall back on actual gameplay impressions... which obviously has been deemed very debatable and inconsistent with the game itself.