2H vs 1H question

[aurik]

blu can solo imps, thf get piercing bonus on colibri, and bst has been fucked since like 2005...what was your point again?

[Ahlah]

At least I am not the one who believe Lars will save the day for BST.

I guess that's all you can do with your BLU/THF/BST if you even have those jobs leveled. May be you should level BST to 75, upgrade Guttler and tell us how you feel getting owned by a DRK/SAM in AF.

[Talint]

How quickly we forget the 2004-2006 era of "NIN only" tanking:

As far as tanking goes, it's gotten to the point where PLD seems to be the tank you use when a NIN isn't available. Sure, a PLD is just as good at generating hate as a NIN, but requires more support, much more investment in gear, and still lags behind in damage mitigation (especially magic, which is the main tank-killer these days anyway).

...

Usable but not preferred gets real old real fast when preferred is available, and you made the mistake of leveling as your first job one of those jobs that everyone wants to have but few people want to play. Especially when you made the bigger mistakes of getting good at it and being willing to play it for the good of the group.

[solsovly]

At least I am not the one who believe Lars will save the day for BST.

Since you obviously didn't understand the first time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I guess that's all you can do with your BLU/THF/BST if you even have those jobs leveled. May be you should level BST to 75, upgrade Guttler and tell us how you feel getting owned by a DRK/SAM in AF.

We already have a Guttler BST in the LS to let us know what it's like being owned by a DRK/SAM in AF.

"Doctor" Ahlah. Stop posting.

[Amastacia]

How quickly we forget the 2004-2006 era of "NIN only" tanking:

As far as tanking goes, it's gotten to the point where PLD seems to be the tank you use when a NIN isn't available. Sure, a PLD is just as good at generating hate as a NIN, but requires more support, much more investment in gear, and still lags behind in damage mitigation (especially magic, which is the main tank-killer these days anyway).

...

Usable but not preferred gets real old real fast when preferred is available, and you made the mistake of leveling as your first job one of those jobs that everyone wants to have but few people want to play. Especially when you made the bigger mistakes of getting good at it and being willing to play it for the good of the group.

How quickly we stop living in the past. Never said I wanted better, just more equal.

[THEPANDA]

Grips are nice. How about allowing MNK to use them? ;x

[Talint]

How quickly we stop living in the past. Never said I wanted better, just more equal.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - Squealer, George Orwell, Animal Farm.

[Starr]

Grips are nice. How about allowing MNK to use them? ;x

How is a grip gonna cover a h2h?

[Bartylby]

instead of grip make it a wrist wrap

[Ahnuld]

For the OP:

This was a very short late night troll party

Fuergrissa - 4/5 Usukane NIN (Missing Sune-ate)
Toralin - Adaberk/Ridill/Velocious Belt/Heca Legs/ etc. WAR/NIN
Darkaelph - Black Belt MNK (Melee'd in STR rings, Cassie Earring, Bibiki Seashell)
Junyi - DRG/SAM (Wyvern: Ginger)

Songs: I can't recall. It might've been Minuet + March

My Gear [Edit: In the TP gear shot, that is a Love Torque and the belt is a Swift Belt]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DRGTP-5-08.pnghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...GWS-5-08-1.png


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5...lparse2jv9.png

[azagarth]

I am shocked the mnk parsed so high, str rings..cassie...bibiki makes me thing he merited focus too lol... especially on trolls where the def is kind noticable for 1h.

was he subbing nin or war? im just blown away he did so well, a ridill berk war with gear like that could usually have me by 2-3% at GC and my mnk was decked, only missing relic h2h and full usu.

[Ahnuld]

I am shocked the mnk parsed so high, str rings..cassie...bibiki makes me thing he merited focus too lol... especially on trolls where the def is kind noticable for 1h.

was he subbing nin or war? im just blown away he did so well, a ridill berk war with gear like that could usually have me by 2-3% at GC and my mnk was decked, only missing relic h2h and full usu.

Ah, Right. I forgot to mention, he did sub /WAR.

[azagarth]

so if his gear selection wasent odd he probably woulda hit within 1-2% of u and war, well guess mnk still can dance witht he best of em lol (gear/job wise). Kinda makes me sad though that now a drg can out dd us!!! im jk lol.

id be interested to see how much he woulda got had he subbed nin.... at that point mnks kinda lol to me nowadays.

drgs really have mad strides in past year, SE finally gave them what they need, now if only they could add something to mnk... its like the only job who has never got a boost or nerf (outside ws nerf years ago).

ok done ranting

[Ahlah]

I just came out from a merit party, with Gaxe skill of 231 my acc is 92% and Raging Rush did 700-1k damage. Pull so much hate I have to use Seigan 90% of the fight.

I have zero WAR merit, slightly above average gear, still outdamage the well geared MNK/NIN.

I don't understand how ppl can think the 2h weapon update actually make things "balanced".

p/s: mamool camp

[Max™]

It broke things in favor of what were second class DD's with little to no desireability if any of the ideal options were on.

Now the old ideals still have the previous reputation, are still very powerful when used right, and the old second class DD's have the 2h update which yeah, tilts things a bit in the favor of PURE DEDICATED DAMAGE DEALERS.

God, what a horrible concept, that one of the main tank jobs can't decimate jobs who's sole purpose, entire focus in the game, is to hurt things. Monk needs a boost, this is true, since it, like Sam and Drg and such, is a pure DD. It is definitely unfair that an ah War/Sam can gimp it up and worry a nicely geared but not top tier Monk.

Keep in mind that I'm a War/Sam 90% of the time, but I like the recent trend of buffing things to balance them, rather than random nerf strikes (besides the 80% haste cap, but again, every Drk who experienced it had to have thought "man, this is too ridiculous to be true" at some point or another) like ye olden days.

[azagarth]

well maybe this new kick thing will revamp mnk a bit?

really i think SE needs to buff AF a bit for mnk, i mean we can barely break 1300 at our max, thats kinda crappy. I understand we are dot but we are and always will be #1 doter, so the slack come from our ws's and how now all jobs can do them same speed but for 400~ more than use on avg? that adds up fast and overcome out dot advantage.

if they let AF double or crit then maybe it be on par, but again if we started seeing 1600 af people would bitch a storm since our survivability is so high, but now rly isnt sam/anything or anything/sam just about as good survivability?

uggh im done and depressed.

[Ahlah]

Totally agree SAM/DRG/DRK deserve a boost before 2h weapon update. In fact, with the 2h weapon adjustment and the new JA/spell I should be really happy - the 6 jobs I need to complete Maat's quest are PLD, MNK, DRG, DRK, SAM and RNG. All of them have been given or are going to receive something really useful.

I skilled up Gaxe from 97 to 227 on WAR/BST, joined a merit party today to leech skill up and ended up parsing 2nd. I have never parsed close to 90% acc mark on NIN even with lv8 Katana merit and I just did it on Gaxe at 231 skill. It just doesn't sound right to me.

I guess my BST is not a total loss - can't think of a better sub job for skill up purpose.

[FailureMidgard]

As far as /sam goes, could lower Hasso to 5% haste and 5 acc. (My understanding is only the strength part of Hasso scales, which I never understood as to why).

Also, I don't understand why people are harping about AH geared melee as opposed to people with endgame drops. This isn't the only place that happens. Blessed gear for WHMs beats out a lot of endgame gear. All sorts of AHed gear for BLMs beats out a lot of endgame gear. Every job has it's prized endgame-only gear, and a very large # of jobs have amazing AH gear available.

Also, for merit group parses (in pug groups), engaging quickly often means more than gear.

[Therin]

As far as /sam goes, could lower Hasso to 5% haste and 5 acc. (My understanding is only the strength part of Hasso scales, which I never understood as to why).

Also, I don't understand why people are harping about AH geared melee as opposed to people with endgame drops. This isn't the only place that happens. Blessed gear for WHMs beats out a lot of endgame gear. All sorts of AHed gear for BLMs beats out a lot of endgame gear. Every job has it's prized endgame-only gear, and a very large # of jobs have amazing AH gear available.

Also, for merit group parses (in pug groups), engaging quickly often means more than gear.

As far as /sam goes, could lower Hasso to 5% haste and 5 acc. (My understanding is only the strength part of Hasso scales, which I never understood as to why).

Hasso to 5% haste and 5 acc

FailureMidgard

That's what I thought.

[FailureMidgard]

Huh? What, it's a bad idea because it lowers your damage?

I think /sam is a larger problem than the 2h update, my bad?

Or am I wrong and a /sam doesn't get 10%?