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    Warrior help.

    At the risk of sounding like a total idiot I got a few warrior questions. I have asked a few people on my server and the answers are all so random and different. I'm lv 59atm with +55acc(still using Viking axes >< to broke for two Darksteel+1 and went 0/3 on Tungi with a th4) Is it Ok to eat meat?

    Second question is I was told by a friend rampage is hugely based on acc so I been ws in full acc gear. Should I be macroing in str gear? and if all 5 hits connect how much Tp should my return be?

    Here is my gear, I'm missing sipahi head just waiting for one to be on ah and just sold my old head last night. Any suggestions for gear upgrades will be more then welcomed.
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    Re: Warrior help.

    I'd say Jaguar Mantle, but at this point you're almost 61 anyway. I see there aren't any RK Breeches on the AH on Bahamut, but I'd get those instead of Sipahi for sure.

    I only used 2x axe on WAR from 54-59 (merits), then went right back to gaxe; I always use meat with gaxe. I switched up between sushi and meat with 2x axe, but I'm in a perma with a BRD, and the meat only happened towards the end of a camp. I remember exping BST (same Axe rating as WAR) on colibri, which would be just above your level, and not using sushi was pretty emo. Unfortunately, so was using sushi as it would make me hit enough to easily steal hate from 90% of tanks.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Quote Originally Posted by gandorf
    At the risk of sounding like a total idiot I got a few warrior questions. I have asked a few people on my server and the answers are all so random and different. I'm lv 59atm with +55acc(still using Viking axes >< to broke for two Darksteel+1 and went 0/3 on Tungi with a th4) Is it Ok to eat meat?

    Second question is I was told by a friend rampage is hugely based on acc so I been ws in full acc gear. Should I be macroing in str gear? and if all 5 hits connect how much Tp should my return be?

    Here is my gear, I'm missing sipahi head just waiting for one to be on ah and just sold my old head last night. Any suggestions for gear upgrades will be more then welcomed.
    [img]it has a thanatos pearl on it[/ img]
    . . . first, your friend is wrong, and obviously has the same pearl on as you. Rampage is hugely based on ACC? Biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever seen, Rampage is based on Crit Rate, STR, ATK, ACC, DEX, and all that crap, it's all fucking important. Jesus, I know this is the newbie forum, but seriously, have some damn common sense. You focus all of it on one thing, rather than make sure everything is at least semi-decent, and you're still going to get shitty returns.

    Get a better mainhand axe and offhand a Viking. You'll be fine.

    TP return is based on your delay, and I'm not calculating TP return for specific weapon setups--you can find it on the wikis and do it yourself, it doesn't take very long.

    In other notes, get a Voyager Sallet. It's too useful on too many jobs to not have one. Spend a few days /sea'ing the zone and noting when a lot of /anon people or a lot of summoners/blms are in the zone for no good reason, and it doesn't look like an alliance is going after Ouryu.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Person who told me to ws in acc isn't in my ls.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Quote Originally Posted by gandorf
    Is it Ok to eat meat?
    with dual axes? not unless you like missing.

    Quote Originally Posted by gandorf
    Second question is I was told by a friend rampage is hugely based on acc so I been ws in full acc gear. Should I be macroing in str gear? and if all 5 hits connect how much Tp should my return be?
    i believe 18tp is the top return for rampage, with 2 DA's (for all but the highest delay axes i guess)
    i cant recall ever getting 19
    if you are regularly going 16 or more, start switching out acc gear for haste, attack, or str (in that order)
    but yeah, your friend is right, acc is very important when dealing with rampage, or any multi hit ws.
    rampage IS going to whiff on you sometimes though. get used to it until you get some (8) merits into axe.
    also, switch at least one of those vikings out for a darksteel. even an nq will be fine mainhand for now.

    after you can get raging rush (level 60 with no merits) though, seriously consider switching to GA. just make sure to keep it skilled up.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    I'm a little confused by your post Rasantath. If I read it right you're telling him that if he's getting consistant 16tp returns from his ws to start switching out acc gear for Haste, Attack and Str (in that order)? What would be the meaning of using haste gear in a ws?

    OP, if you're getting consistant TP returns on your ws's but arent satisfied with the dmg start switching out ACC for STR gear. Rampage has a 30% STR modifier so STR will do more to help your dmg peaks.

    As for Sushi vs Meat, would depend where you're exping. If you're fighting lower level mobs and chaining them then yes go to meat, if you're fighting higher level mobs stay with sushi.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Haste makes you swing faster which makes you do more damage, obviously!

    Acc til you land your hits reliably > Str/Dex balanced to make them hurt/crit > Att to keep your pDif pumped up for said crits/to make the non-crits suck a bit less.

    I wish I had Crit TP raging rush at 60 when I leveled, Rampage is a fickle whore, and I don't miss her.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aragon of Odin
    I'm a little confused by your post Rasantath. If I read it right you're telling him that if he's getting consistant 16tp returns from his ws to start switching out acc gear for Haste, Attack and Str (in that order)? What would be the meaning of using haste gear in a ws?
    /forehead
    yeah i was multitasking when i wrote that and forgot it was for WS gear halfway through :)
    so yeah obviously no haste gear in ws set heh. str first? then attack?

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    Re: Warrior help.

    For low lvl melees, ACC is top priority. For mutli hit weaponskills @ lower lvls... I would definitely say get a moderate amount of ACC and stats. I've pted with a lot of wars and 1 WS out of 10 will be full hit for oodles of damage, and the other 9 will whiff like crazy. Upgrade some stuff... Get a few whiteboxes going and you should be fine.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    As with any level you want to use as much accuracy as it takes to average a decent amount of hits on multi hit weapon skills. That doesn't necessarily mean you should ws in full accuracy all the time, but if you're going to be whiffing the majority of hits the str/dex/atk wont have much effect. Naturally, as they say, shit is situational, so what you do is take your current amount of accuracy gear and ws in it to start in your next party, then gradually move in more str/atk to a point where you are still comfortable with the amount of hits you are getting. You could also do it in the revese, as in start with all str/atk and work backwards towards accuracy, whichever works for you.

    On the sushi v. meat thing it's situational as well, carry both.

    You're going to want to get at least a better main hand axe as well, it doesn't have to be DS+1, but even the damage difference on an NQ DS axe would make a difference. Pick up some spike earrings, look into a chivalrous chain or peacock charm. RK breeches are fairly good for a long while, those are definitely worth looking into. You could probably hold off on the Jaguar mantle and just wait it out for Amemet mantle(+1 if you can).

    Also, I'd highly recommend great axe. If it's not capped it's well worth your time to go and skill it up. Heavy Darksteel Axe is a good one to go with, and shouldn't be too expensive.

    Edit: I also noticed you don't have a head piece, look into Valkyrie's/Walkure/Voyager sallet

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    Re: Warrior help.

    @ low lvls, sushi all the way. Unless you got PCC Haub+1 Life belt Viking axes (which suck after a point) etc. @75, different story.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    I tend to eat meat as much as I can in lower levels. Sushi as needed if overhunting etc.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Were you equip well? If so, that's why. I've lvled with shitty fucking people so far... ._.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    I know the feeling, but it doesn't take perfect gear to be able to be able to use meat. It's been a very very long time since I leveled warrior, meat mithkabob days. Iirc, I had pretty solid gear, haub, snipers, etc. But just in general if I can I eat meat and always carry both. People who just mindlessly pop sushi are missing out on a huge attack bonus, granted their accuracy is ok without sushi. Use what you want though, OP included.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    I parse every single party I get while leveling up, and will either not eat food for the first few fights, or will default to meat for the first half hour, and switch based on how my accuracy is doing. With both WAR and SAM I was able to eat meat a good portion of the time, and if the 2H upgrade had happened before I hit 75, I probably would never have needed Sushi on WAR.

    Also, dump the axes as soon as you hit 60. Raging Rush is sex, and there are very powerful Great Axe upgrades consistently to 75. Axes, you're stuck with Franny&Tungi until Juggy or Maneater, unless you've managed to camp Acha d'Armas.

    As for Rampage, like everyone else said, you want to balance Acc, STR, DEX, and Attack. Once you're getting consistent full-hit Rampages, you can start pulling off Acc for other stats, for more oomph and general crits. This applies to Raging Rush as well, but requires less gear Accuracy to do it.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Get a fucking great axe, use sturmwind until you can use raging rush. There's no reason to dual-wield while leveling up, or really ever at this point.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Quote Originally Posted by fantasticdan
    Get a fucking great axe, use sturmwind until you can use raging rush. There's no reason to dual-wield while leveling up, or really ever at this point.
    Am I the only WAR who has fun using as many different weapons as he can?

    Yeah, on anything serious, I'll bust out the great axe, but come on. Focusing on one weapon as WAR is just... boring.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talint
    Am I the only WAR who has fun using as many different weapons as he can?

    Yeah, on anything serious, I'll bust out the great axe, but come on. Focusing on one weapon as WAR is just... boring.
    Does the rampage animation bring you that much joy? If you want to use another weapon type on warrior, use polearm. I use the ksnm spear in colibri merits, things immune to slashing like in limbus, and on most anything else weak to piercing. By default, a warrior in decent gear should have higher atk/acc with any unmerited 2h weapon; polearm, gsword, scythe, than when using unmerited axe or sword.

    Really, 1h axe for warrior is outclassed in every aspect except for opening one side of light, but I can't remember one situation where I've ever needed to do that, or where we couldn't just make a better SC.

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    Re: Warrior help.

    Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. If he wants to use different weapons so be it, no need to get fiesty because you like using one weapon over the other. With recent patches I would agree that skill wise 2handed weapons might surpass most 1handed weapons, but in the end really most situations balance out if the weapons are properly used. So, really, who cares what they use as long as damage is constant and xp flows.

    To stay on topic, if you have enough acc in your weaponskill macro without food to land most, if not all your hits on rampage, then eating meats is fine. Vice versa for the opposite. Experimentation is really the best first hand experience you can get. Play with your gear first before you decide what food you like to use. Personally, I enjoy going with an all STR set and eatting sushi. But their are times where I will eat meat and swap out some STR for accuracy gear just to try and beat my personal records. I'm a firm believer of hitting for a tad less and hitting often > hitting for a tad more damage and missing more often.

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