Respect my authority!

[Norellicus]

Wait wait, so we're pissed because someone was thrown in prison for failing to comply with a court order?

Or we're just pissed for the sake of the action while listening to SOAD?

[Xavier]

Without taxes, there wouldn't be a police force, without a police force, I'd rob you of all your money. Pay your taxes, its cheaper.

[Heian]

Without taxes, there wouldn't be a police force, without a police force, I'd rob you of all your money. Pay your taxes, its cheaper.

Yeah well I have a bigger gun with stopping power perks.

[AkashiXI]

Without taxes, there wouldn't be a police force, without a police force, I'd rob Guartz of his virginity. Pay your taxes, its cheaper.

fixed ;oa

[Xavier]

Without taxes, there wouldn't be a police force, without a police force, I'd rob you of all your money. Pay your taxes, its cheaper.

Yeah well I have a bigger gun with stopping power perks.

We both know you're shootin blanks baby.

[pohibaba]

You know, the tax thing is just such a load of shit.

Here's a challenge for you Guartz.

Explain, in fair detail, how the USA would function without taxes, say starting Jan 1 2009. Where will the money come from? Please frame your answer in the context of the real world, not an idealized concept of reality where people willingly and happily donate large sums of money to various organizations that aren't cute and friendly (like road construction etc).

It's easy to sit there and go "taxes suck!" and spout a lot of bullshit but you really have nothing to say if you can't provide a viable alternate solution that is better.

Good luck.

Extra credit: base your example on medieval iceland!!!!

I'd love to, but it's just as easy to sit there and say "WELL I can't figure out how to do it, so it must be a stupid idea".

Here is an assignment unto you, my friend, go to a library and pick out some books on anarchy.

Extra credit: The book is on anarcho-capitalism

I'm a Libertarian, huge Ayn Rand fan, and am as fiscally conservative as is really possible and even I believe you're looking like an idiot right now. Go read Wealth of Nations and you'll learn about the things which provides a benefit to everyone, but which no single organization can efficiently provide on their own, thus the need for taxes.

[Heian]

Without taxes, there wouldn't be a police force, without a police force, I'd rob you of all your money. Pay your taxes, its cheaper.

Yeah well I have a bigger gun with stopping power perks.

We both know you're shootin blanks baby.

Saves us money on protective gear!

[jmc]

Read this multiple times.... and I hate fox news for this. They never do any background on the actual story.....

from reading it, they want to portray it as this gentleman was jailed on charges on a law that no one knows about.

However, its my understanding that there was a prior case in which his daughter was brought to court probably under a C.H.I.N.S type of thing (Child in need of supervision) due to bad parents or parents simply not caring. So the judge order the legal guardian (father) to make sure he keeps tabs on her, to be successful in life by getting her G.E.D etc....


Short story, guy jailed on failure to obey by a court order. Not for some random law, saying his kids needs a GED.

[Maxxthepenguin]

lol people trust fox news to give all the details

[Kuya]

I was going to rant about how US jails really need more people, but i don't trust FoxNews enough for me to bitch about it.

[Xavier]

[Insert philosophical comment about how all of life is really one big jail here.]

[Demosthenes11]

Read this multiple times.... and I hate fox news for this. They never do any background on the actual story.....

from reading it, they want to portray it as this gentleman was jailed on charges on a law that no one knows about.

However, its my understanding that there was a prior case in which his daughter was brought to court probably under a C.H.I.N.S type of thing (Child in need of supervision) due to bad parents or parents simply not caring. So the judge order the legal guardian (father) to make sure he keeps tabs on her, to be successful in life by getting her G.E.D etc....


Short story, guy jailed on failure to obey by a court order. Not for some random law, saying his kids needs a GED.

it says that in the article...
do this many people really fail at reading comprehension?

[jmc]

Read this multiple times.... and I hate fox news for this. They never do any background on the actual story.....

from reading it, they want to portray it as this gentleman was jailed on charges on a law that no one knows about.

However, its my understanding that there was a prior case in which his daughter was brought to court probably under a C.H.I.N.S type of thing (Child in need of supervision) due to bad parents or parents simply not caring. So the judge order the legal guardian (father) to make sure he keeps tabs on her, to be successful in life by getting her G.E.D etc....


Short story, guy jailed on failure to obey by a court order. Not for some random law, saying his kids needs a GED.

it says that in the article...
do this many people really fail at reading comprehension?

No, I understand that...it says it in the first paragraph. However, by reading majority of these responses it seems everyone simply believes that its some fucked law thats punishing this guy.


I should really rephrase my original message, heh

[Ryushii]

Correct my if I'm wrong, but this man was jailed because he failed to keep his eye on his daughter when she went to her mother's house to skip school? So is essence, he is jailed because his exwife screwed up. I'm not saying the man isn't to blame (if he had been as good a parent as he could be, he would doubtfully have been in court in the first place), but the idea of one person being punished for another person's mistake doesn't sit well with me.

[Correction]

Correct my if I'm wrong, but this man was jailed because he failed to keep his eye on his daughter when she went to her mother's house to skip school? So is essence, he is jailed because his exwife screwed up. I'm not saying the man isn't to blame (if he had been as good a parent as he could be, he would doubtfully have been in court in the first place), but the idea of one person being punished for another person's mistake doesn't sit well with me.

It was the father's mistake to surrender control of his daughter's education while he had legal custody. He was under a court order and ignored it for whatever reason. If he has custody, he takes responsibility no matter where his daughter is. She should have been with him and/or keeping him out of jail by going to school. Welcome to the other side of the 'I didn't think the judge was serious about that' coin.

[gandorf]

I thought kids weren't even required to go to school once/if they were 16; or was that a state (FL) law?

I stopped going to school when I was 16 and dropped out when I was 17. Wish I could go back but whatever. It shouldn't be the parents fault if their kid wont goto school, and it hurts the parents more seeing the kid drag away in handcuffs like the school wants if the kid doesn't go.

[archibaldcrane]

It was the father's mistake to surrender control of his daughter's education while he had legal custody. He was under a court order and ignored it for whatever reason. If he has custody, he takes responsibility no matter where his daughter is. She should have been with him and/or keeping him out of jail by going to school. Welcome to the other side of the 'I didn't think the judge was serious about that' coin.

Yay, now daddy is in jail! Everything is better, and the daughter is now magically educated!

Just because you want to influence behavior doesn't mean that a jail sentence should be behind every failure.

[Correction]

Speaking of failure to comprehend...

They didn't just knock on the guy's door and say 'SURPRISE YOUR DAUGHTER'S BEEN TRUANT COME WITH ME TO JAIL.' He was issued a court order months ago. MONTHS. How big a shock and surprise is it when after months of failing to comply the actual force of law was brought to bear on the father? And the stipulation on the sentence is that if the daughter actually follows through with the court order daddy's sprung from jail. He's not in there until he rots.

Sometimes it feels like the phrase 'parental responsibility' is meaningless the way some of you are talking.

[archibaldcrane]

And the stipulation on the sentence is that if the daughter actually follows through with the court order daddy's sprung from jail. He's not in there until he rots.

Sometimes it feels like the phrase 'parental responsibility' is meaningless the way some of you are talking.

So the father's continued jail sentence is completely determined by something that, since he is in jail, he no longer has any control over - the actions of his adult daughter for whom he is not legally responsible for.

Does that make sense to you?

[Correction]

And the stipulation on the sentence is that if the daughter actually follows through with the court order daddy's sprung from jail. He's not in there until he rots.

Sometimes it feels like the phrase 'parental responsibility' is meaningless the way some of you are talking.

So the father's continued jail sentence is completely determined by something that, since he is in jail, he no longer has any control over - the actions of his adult daughter for whom he is not legally responsible for.

Does that make sense to you?

Court administrators say that even though Brittany is an adult now, the case remains active in their court because she was a juvenile when the problems started.

They say this type of punishment is rare and reserved for extreme cases when court orders aren't met.

Unless the court order says 'when she turns 18 you can ignore this court order' the jailing makes sense to me. Sure circumstances are a bit weird now but the man had every opportunity from the time he gained custody till the court order was served and enforced to keep it from becoming that way.