Vatican says aliens could exist

[Fallso]

It's only a matter of time before missionaries head out into space to beat christianity into...err I mean save some more souls!

for the emperor of mankind, saviour of humanity!

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...r%2040K/8b.jpg

Oh cool, christianity in the future.

[Mizango]

It's only a matter of time before missionaries head out into space to beat christianity into...err I mean save some more souls!

LOL Nice.


But why the speculation? In theory couldn't the Pope just ask God if they exist? Sorry I had to pose this as a question seeing as how the hypocrisies of religion still baffles me to no end. I guess James and the fellas left this chapter out.

[Kerberoz]

So it's okay to believe in aliens, but not birth control, evolution, Buddha, Muhammed, Xenu, Confucius, Gaius Baltar, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or nothing?

Got it.

[Mizango]

So it's okay to believe in aliens, but not birth control, evolution, Buddha, Muhammed, Xenu, Confucius, Gaius Baltar, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or nothing?

Got it.

That about covers it.

[Jefe]

^Pascal's wager, although interesting i.e. it's better to bet for him versus against, it does suffer from a bunch of weaknesses. I'd rather go w/ Anselm's Ontological Argument ;p

Comparing those two arguments is moronic.

Thank god (zing) I'm not comparing those two, unless you are implying both are illogical; which I never claimed it as logical to begin with rather Ontological > Wager i.e. IMO , thus !=fact... Other than that, what's your point besides +1ing?

[guartz]

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...thicBattle.jpg


Spreading the word of Jesus, The Emperor of Mankind for 40,000 years.

[Raineer]

^Pascal's wager, although interesting i.e. it's better to bet for him versus against, it does suffer from a bunch of weaknesses. I'd rather go w/ Anselm's Ontological Argument ;p

Anyways, Catholic here, I don't believe the holy spirit is going to rescue me when in dire need, etc. etc. I was given the intellect to fill in the blank w/ moral and ethical values, the end.

I couldn't possibly agree more. Religion, to me, is basically something which allows each individual person to choose their own whatever to worship and use their own mysterious whatever as inspiration in order to act respectfully towards other human beings.

Following the teachings of Kant works for me, but he didn't write about invisible people so I need a little more exciting stories to hear.

I really don't "get" most catholics, or religions for that matter. I completely do not care if someone thinks their houseplant is Earth's creator and almighty savior. If they are productive to society and not trying to kill me for some reason, I am happy with said individual. I cannot comprehend what causes people to get so offended when others say their invisible man didn't do x/y/z.

Back on topic, I am happy that the Vatican makes such statements. There are enough sheep in power that such an announcement could sway a lot more funding towards exploratory projects. However, scientifically, it's extremely unlikely there is life presently on Mars. It is feasible for us to colonize Mars, though. It would take several thousand years to grow the environment, but it is completely doable; we only need to send the equipment there to start doing it, and that portion could be completely unmanned. Life is much more likely currently found surrounding Jupiter. No chance the human race survives another 2-3 thousand years though, unless the world population is cut in half (see arkansas 18-kid thread and half the boards defense of the "choice" of 18 children)

edit: There were a few posts about the hypocrisy of Christianity, of which I couldn't agree more, it's rampant and typically fueled by money. However birth control and Buddha are two bad examples to point out. They teach your only purpose is to have babies, which is why birth control isn't allowed. Likewise, it is difficult to uphold JC as the true savior then allow for any other god-figures.

I didn't state I agree with it, just summarizing the positions. I'm quite certain every religion (including my own) who is worshipping a pretend individual is doing just that, pretending. They do this for inspiration and it is every bit as valid as those who fill their lives with non-religious inspirations.

What I can't stand is preachers, my stomach turns every time my priest tells me that my job is to go out and convert people. /barf
The whole idea is for people to freely look for and accept these things, and living near Liberaltown, USA (the People's Republic of Boulder) means street preachers are everywhere.

[Senoska]

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

[Takeno]

What is the point of religion if I have my own moral code that I follow? I can condence religion and social interaction in one sentence. Dont do anything that will cause anyone else to suffer. There religion is out of my life.

[Jefe]

What Raineer said.

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

Is this a joke post, or are you really this ignorant?

What is the point of religion if I have my own moral code that I follow?

Personal choice, I don't know what's so hard to understand.

[Neosutra]

Here we go again.

Pros/Cons of religion Debate version 2! Now with more stupidy!

And Metoera, are you saying that the Catholic church does advocate using birth control..? You seemed to dismiss alot of his comments, regardless of their validity.

[Parshias]

ITT: People still don't realize that the Catholic Church has no problem with evolution.

Carry on.

[Senoska]

What Raineer said.

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

Is this a joke post, or are you really this ignorant?

What is the point of religion if I have my own moral code that I follow?

Personal choice, I don't know what's so hard to understand.

attacking the person and not the points, nice.

[Neosutra]

What Raineer said.

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

Is this a joke post, or are you really this ignorant?

What is the point of religion if I have my own moral code that I follow?

Personal choice, I don't know what's so hard to understand.

attacking the person and not the points, nice.

Have you ever read any of Meteora's posts Q.Q

But I would have to agree that the Catholic church is one of the more understanding christian cults when it comes to scientific theories (i.e. evolution). They are still behind the times however on stem cell research, birth control, and touching little boys.

[Obev]

Pros/Cons of religion Debate version 2! Now with more X-files, Star Wars, and Warhammer 40,000.

Fixed.

[Xavier]

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

Is this a joke post, or are you really this ignorant?

Are you a joke?

[Jefe]

What Raineer said.

I didn't read your whole post so sorry if this is off topic, but catholics do hurt people, they preach widely against the use of condoms and birth control, hurt the collective knowledge of human kind by throwing their arms up in protest against stem cell research and the teaching of evolution. The list continues, sure, they do some good, but does it out weigh the bad they do?

Is this a joke post, or are you really this ignorant?

What is the point of religion if I have my own moral code that I follow?

Personal choice, I don't know what's so hard to understand.

attacking the person and not the points, nice.

It'd been far too easy to address your "points," who is going to waste time with your generalizations, I ask you? Well, at least Neo takes them to heart!

[Arcana]

http://www.billandted.org/pics/bj/bjstation2.jpg
This is what martians really look like.

I think the vatican watched bill & ted's bogus journey and thought that could be the newest testement of the bible titled "the Excellent! testement as prophesied by Bill S. Preston, ESQ & Ted "Theadore" logan".

<insert random lolreligion joke>

[Raineer]

ITT: People still don't realize that the Catholic Church has no problem with evolution.

Carry on.

Depends on who you talk to, it's the few bad apples which make any religion look bad anyways. Most cradle catholics believe otherwise and that it is heresy to not endorse pure creationism, which is why it should be acceptable to consider that part of the church's doctrine.

How should one judge a church, by its "official" word or the actions of its members? Would most people think badly about x religion if they didn't have people picketing Planned Parenthoods and porn shops?

It is the extremists of anything which make something "bad" in the public eye.

To sensoka's point, I wish you would have actually read my post because I mostly agree with you. I do agree about stem cell research as well, I think it is stupid to stunt scientific discovery on certain grounds.

It is difficult to judge if a certain church's good outweighs the bad. The reason for this is all bad is public, and all good is private and on an individual basis. What could a church do publicly that is actually good? It could inspire it's members to do good things, but it can never really "win". If, for example, the pope came out in support of abortion or BC or stem cell research, it would be measured good by some and not by others. I believe a church should basically be evaluated by it's own members, as long as it doesn't directly influence others with immoral activities like murder/war/stealing, which many religions have fallen prey to at one time or another.

It would be really nice if it were possible to just place children in some kind of vacuum, so parents could teach them NO religion whatsoever until they are an adult and can learn it themselves. It would really help the morality of the country to have people believing something because they actually believe it, not just because they were raised that way. I think people would take morality much more seriously.

The crux of the problem is that organized anything creates sheep, and it creates a culture where people want to be told what to think. Catholics and Conservatives tend to be the most publicly criticized for this, but is it any less true of any religion or political group? I was raised to be both of those, but as I grew up and formed my own thoughts as a teenager it became pretty clear that telling someone "hey you can't do xyz because I don't think it is right", including how republicans insist on forcing abortion laws on everyone, is hypocritical and stupid.

I just do not get the desire for people to tell others how they should live/practice/believe, in any facet of life. It makes no sense to me.

[Conrad]

Because the picture was taken down...

There's that episode of South Park, "Red Hot Catholic Love," where, at the Vatican, there's Catholic aliens called Gelgamecks, and the head of Catholicism is a talking spider.

The former now seems slightly more possible than before.