great news about gas prices!

[Kiro]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

[Demosthenes11]

I didn't think it would come along for a few more years but I pretty much called this shit, just like I called the Iraq war aftermath and the Iranians turning against us.

It continues to amaze me how at 15-17 years old (21 now) I was smarter than the entire fucking government, military, and civic institutions combined.

lol

[Correction]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

Hey look, someone who's never actually tried the Los Angeles public transport system to get to work every day.

[Vail]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

the bus is good in some places, but not all: also the prices of bus tickets go up with the gas rise.

When I lived in portland I was a big fan of taking the bus, but now that I live closer to the country side then I do to a city, I don't even have the option of a bus (there isn't any here, only a shuttle bus that doesn't even go near my place: it's mostly for walmart/Community-college/and the airport in town) and no... it's one of those small airports, the single run way kinda place, that a few guys keep their crop planes at, etc.

[Zoot]

That would be good advice, if such transportation existed in full force in most places. Unfortunately in our culture, we're far too dependent on individual transportation, leading to most of our public transportation to be very dirty and innefficient.

Some slant, but very good info as well: http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html

[Melchiah]

Why would anyone put anything besides 85 octane in their car anyway? It's just a waste of money.

Because the lowest octane rating available at gas pumps is 87? I can take a picture if you'd like.

[Misterjingles]

Sometime after the Zombie Wars, we'll all look back and remember how cheap gas is.

...wat.

[Kiro]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

Hey look, someone who's never actually tried the Los Angeles public transport system to get to work every day.

Wouldn't be caught dead in California let alone the capital of Mexico.

[SephYuyX]

OH, KY and IN dont have good transport systems either. Only busses youll see are inside of large city areas, and the only people who have real access to them are section8s and other poor people. You can see a white person on the bus once every week.

[Correction]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

Hey look, someone who's never actually tried the Los Angeles public transport system to get to work every day.

Wouldn't be caught dead in California let alone the capital of Mexico.

Then don't cheerfully suggest a solution to a fast, expensive, unsafe mode of transportation that merely trades 'fast' for 'slow' without addressing the other two issues.

[sunb1ind]

I didn't think it would come along for a few more years but I pretty much called this shit, just like I called the Iraq war aftermath and the Iranians turning against us.

It continues to amaze me how at 15-17 years old (21 now) I was smarter than the entire fucking government, military, and civic institutions combined.

You lost me?

And btw if you were so ahead of the game and smarter than our govt. you wouldn't be living in this Titanic rapefest while in it's prime. We're all in the same boat here, whether your dumbass believed the president starting after 911 or you knew the gameplan(let's got to Iraq/lolterrer/wmds/etc.) from the get-go. Unless you're sitting in fuckin Poland right now typing LOLAmericans, then it doesn't matter.


Anyways, who was it again who said gas would hit $4 by labor day? lol I don't think there's much logic involved with the current price guage. Sure you can attribute the devaluing of the dollar, but that doesn't come close to the rate of increase we are seeing in gas. I even did a quick estimate of the rate of increase in some of the groceries I buy, that doesn't even add up. Someone want to give me a hand here and explain that shit? lol

[Kiro]

People can always ride the bus. DING DING, WINRAR.

Hey look, someone who's never actually tried the Los Angeles public transport system to get to work every day.

Wouldn't be caught dead in California let alone the capital of Mexico.

Then don't cheerfully suggest a solution to a fast, expensive, unsafe mode of transportation that merely trades 'fast' for 'slow' without addressing the other two issues.

So when I suggest riding the bus do I have to cover every single city in the country to maek u happiez? ^-^

[Zoot]

It kills me when people talk about just "upping our oil output from Alaska and Texas," because the simple truth is that there's just Not. That. Much. Oil. There. Not enough to meet our insane demands, at least.

From the link I posted:

For close to three-quarters of the 20th Century, the United States was the world leader in oil production. What happened? The short answer is that we're over the hill when it comes to oil resources. The U.S. oil production peak came 35 years ago, in 1970 - and the volume sucked from the ground has been declining ever since. In 1970, U.S. production of 9.6 million barrels per day (Mb/d) amounted to 43% of all the oil pumped in the world. In 2004, domestic production averaged 5.4 Mb/d, the lowest since 1950, and added up to only 13% of the world total - despite the fact that our consumption is more than 25% of the world's oil and about 45% of the world's gasoline - and we harbor just 5% of the world's population.
Consumption is the key. With small fluctuations, U.S. oil usage has climbed steadily for the past 50 years. From 5.6 Mb/d in 1949 (6% supplied by imports) to 13.8 Mb/d in 1970 (23% from imports) and 20 Mb/d in 2004 (60% from imports), America's unrelenting thirst for petroleum has driven the consumer end of the market for a hundred years. And by late 2005, consumption had climbed to 20.5 Mb/d, fueled by net imports of 13.2 Mb/d - more than 64% of the total.

How much is 20 million barrels a day? A 42-gallon oil barrel is maybe four feet high. If you laid 20 million of them end to end, they would stretch more than 15,000 miles - every day! In terms of gallons of all oil products, if a 1-gallon can is a foot wide, lined up those cans would extend about 163,000 miles - enough to circle the earth at the equator 6½ times - every day.

Not all the oil used goes to make gasoline, of course - there's fuel oil, jet fuel, the chemicals to make all the plastic in the world, as well as lubricants, greases, lipstick and petroleum jelly. But U.S. consumption of gasoline is astonishing - we burn it up at a rate averaging more than 320 million gallons per day, or about 3700 gallons per second, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's enough one-foot-square gallon cans to cover a football field every nine seconds.

So which countries supply our imported oil? Few people can name the top four countries, which together supply about 60% of our crude oil imports. In August 2005, Canada and Mexico were in a virtual tie for first, each providing about 16% of total imported petroleum. Saudi Arabia, which most people would include on the top four list, was No. 3 with about 14%. Venezuela (13%) rounds out the top four sources of American oil. Up-and-coming Nigeria is Number 5, with 11% of our imports. The rest of the top 10, in order, are Angola with 6% and Iraq, Algeria, United Kingdom, and Ecuador, at about 3% of our imports each.

The amount of oil we import from each country fluctuates somewhat from month to month and year to year. For most of the past 5 years, Canada was the clear leader, at about 17-18%, and Saudi Arabia was number 2, with 14-15%. During the 1960s, Venezuela was far and away our greatest supplier.

What can be done about our import dependency? Drill more wells? In 1972 we had 508,000 pumping wells. Many of those wells have dried up or become uneconomical to operate, but despite that, in 2004 about 510,000 wells were pumping oil. We're drilling about as many new wells as we can, both technologically and economically. The problem is the average volume per well - down from almost 19 barrels per well per day in 1972 to about 10.5 barrels per well per day in 2004. The same number of wells pumps only about half the oil of 30 years ago. You can't make a 10-barrel-a-day well pump 1,000 barrels, no matter what you do. There are some enhancement techniques that squeeze the last drops out of an oil field, but those are short-term fixes that do not provide great volumes of crude.

Field, Country Size estimate
1. Ghawar, Saudi Arabia
Saudi fields overall are in decline at 2% to 8% a year. Source 75-83 billion barrels
2. Burgan, Kuwait • in decline 66-72 billion barrels
2a. Cantarell, Mexico • in decline (often listed as a large complex
of multiple smaller fields) 35 billion barrels OOIP
18 billion recoverable
3. Bolivar Coastal, Venezuela 30-32 billion barrels
4. Safaniya-Khafji, Saudi Arabia/Neutral Zone 30 billion barrels
5. Rumailia, Iraq 20 billion barrels
6. Tengiz, Kazakhstan • significant production to come 15-26 billion barrels
7. Ahwaz, Iran • in decline 17 billion barrels
8. Kirkuk, Iraq 16 billion barrels
9. Marun, Iran 16 billion barrels
9a. Daqing, China • in decline 16 billion barrels
10. Gachsaran, Iran 15 billion barrels
11. Aghajari, Iran 14 billion barrels
12. Samotlor, West Siberia, Russia • in decline 14-16 billion barrels
13.Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, USA • in decline 13 billion barrels
13a. Kashagan, Kazakhstan • significant production to come 13 billion barrels
14. Abqaiq, Saudi Arabia 12 billion barrels
15. Romashkino, Volga-Ural, Russia • in decline 12-14 billion barrels
16. Chicontepec, Mexico 12 billion barrels
17. Berri, Saudi Arabia 12 billion barrels
18. Zakum, Abu Dhabi, UAE 12 billion barrels
19. Manifa, Saudi Arabia 11 billion barrels
20. Faroozan-Marjan, Saudi Arabia/Iran 10 billion barrels
21. Marlim, Campos, Brazil • in decline 10-14 billion barrels

[Correction]

So when I suggest riding the bus do I have to cover every single city in the country to maek u happiez? ^-^

Maybe you should rethink the 'clever, pat answer' strategy to addressing a complex problem, is what I'm saying.

[Maxxthepenguin]

It's all good, Nancy Pelosi has a common sense plan that will lower gas prices.

Better than cutting the gas tax.

I just realized I responded to a post from a page ago.

[sunb1ind]

I hear that story all the time too, its really just a cop-out relayed over the news when people try to bring up our dependency on foreign oil.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

It's all good, Nancy Pelosi has a common sense plan that will lower gas prices.

Better than cutting the gas tax.

Except she stated she had one over two years ago. If it's so common sense where is it?

[Maxxthepenguin]

It's all good, Nancy Pelosi has a common sense plan that will lower gas prices.

Better than cutting the gas tax.

Except she stated she had one over two years ago. If it's so common sense where is it?

Well, has anything she has wanted to get done gotten done? I can't fault her or Reid for having badly executed plans because they haven't gotten their fucking plans passed.

Anyways, link to details of the plan? One preferably thats an ultra-conservative article.

[pohibaba]

It's all good, Nancy Pelosi has a common sense plan that will lower gas prices.

Better than cutting the gas tax.

Except she stated she had one over two years ago. If it's so common sense where is it?

Well, has anything she has wanted to get done gotten done? I can't fault her or Reid for having badly executed plans because they haven't gotten their fucking plans passed.

Anyways, link to details of the plan? One preferably thats an ultra-conservative article.

I've never read the plan, but my guess would be that it includes some part to restrict the profit margin of those evil oil companies. How dare they make a profit for their investors?!

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I don't think there ever really was a "plan." Just one of those things to get elected.