Ghost caught on tape?

[Gwynplaine]

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=312640

Here's another, you have to watch it carefully though.

[Jefe]

^Needs more Scully.

When I was 9-10 I was with my bro and he needed to turn off the motor from the water well and I didn't wanna go (he had acres upon acres of alfalfa). I stayed behind and it was around 5-6 pm, so it wasn't dark. Then I saw what it looked like a meteorite, the problem was that this thing was flying horizontally in a straight line. Then the shit stops and descends... It was a perfect 90 degree angle. I saw it and was like "wtf?" W/e it was landed like 2 miles away from me near some hills, of course I didn't check the thing out lol. The whole thing wasn't a split second cause I saw it, wondered wtf it was and the "oh shit" factor kicked in.

The weird thing is that the people around that area say they've seen "witches" and "dancing lights" around that area.

[Vail]

ghost are one of those things that you have to experience first hand, once I was in my old house (the one my father passed away in) and late at night in the laundry room the lights were off and I saw what looked like the outline of a man, it was a dark blue amongst the darkened room, the second I turned the lights on it was gone.

My mother told me on several occasions she saw the same thing in other parts of the house, and it really freaked her out, so much so that she sold the house and moved away just to get away from the ghost.

Despite the fear I felt seeing something I could not explain, I think about it today and I honestly feel pretty reassured that my father was watching over us.

I've heard stories of other people seeing ghost and stuff, so it's kinda hard to discount something that actually is seen by a fair number of people. I do wholly understand that people are not likely to believe that sorta stuff until they see it, and I honestly don't blame them for that stance.

[Pirian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3AyOMoUNHo

Rumor is: you watch it, and seven days later you die! True story

[Ramor]

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=312640

Here's another, you have to watch it carefully though.

ha, that was awesome

[Khamsin]

I don't believe in ghosts as disembodied spirits of the dead, but I don't discount that freaks of perception occur for unknown reason that people attribute to ghosts.

In some cases, it could be in your mind.. I've seen lots of things in the dark that disappear when I turn on the light, only to discover later a combination of silhouettes that when "flattened" into a single image tricks my brain into thinking of something else entirely.

In some cases, it could actually be something unusual that happened and anyone else would have seen the same thing.

I don't think science discounts such experiences, only that it isn't quick to leap to the conclusion that there's ghosts, spirits, or demons behind it.

[ferigor]

You can totally see a ghost in the window on that one scene in 3 men and a baby. I haven't been able to sleep since I watched that movie 17 years ago, I'm still freaked out.

[Karbuncle]

I've heard stories of other people seeing ghost and stuff, so it's kinda hard to discount something that actually is seen by a fair number of people. I do wholly understand that people are not likely to believe that sorta stuff until they see it, and I honestly don't blame them for that stance.

This is honostly the smartest thing said in the thread so far~
The reason i believe in ghosts is because of a story my mom told me...

I never met my grandfather, he was murdered before i was born... but my older brother was 4 when he was murdered, and hadn't known to much about death and etc...

Well, two days after my Grandfather was murdered, my older brother (who was 4 at the time) Walked into my moms room one night and told her that "Grandpa was here"
My mom looked confused and told him that grandpa was gone, and not coming back (etc, what you tell a child that age when someone dies), well... my brother continued to say "He was here, He said that everything was all right, and that i was the man of the house now, and to take care of you, that he would see us again soon"

she would bring it up alot, i never knew him, or what he was like.. but when a 4 year old tells you he saw his grandpa, and said something like that... i'd say im a believer in somekind of afterlife.

Take what you will, i cant provide proof of this, and im not going to try and prove my story to you... Its like the man i qouted said, its one of those things most people wont believe until they have a personal experiance with, im 19, and i see no reason for my mother to lie to me about my grandfathers(whom i've never met) death.

[Ramor]

You can totally see a ghost in the window on that one scene in 3 men and a baby. I haven't been able to sleep since I watched that movie 17 years ago, I'm still freaked out.

turned out to be a cardboard cutout that someone had left behind the window that no one caught until the movie hit, i'll see if i can dig it up

edit: http://www.castleofspirits.com/threemenbaby.html

[Reapz]

I totally believe in ghosts I just hope I never see one because that will shit me up

[Mizango]

You can totally see a ghost in the window on that one scene in 3 men and a baby. I haven't been able to sleep since I watched that movie 17 years ago, I'm still freaked out.

The fact you or anyone would willingly watched this movie is 100 times more spooky then seeing an actual apparition.

Fo' real.

[Blarg]

Jeez, some of you guys need some James Randi in your life.

Just a bit of info, people of different cultures that have different forms of ghosts and stories all seem to see things that relate almost exclusively to their own culture.

[Alleya]

I don't believe in ghosts as disembodied spirits of the dead, but I don't discount that freaks of perception occur for unknown reason that people attribute to ghosts.

/thread, honestly.

There's a million of these freaking things. If you stare at a random pattern long enough eventually you will see faces and shapes. If you sit in a dark room with a single point of light nailed to a board, that light will start moving eventually. It's not fucking ghosts, your eyes are just subconsciously moving and you don't realize it. You and every other "normal" person on this planet is 1 mutated gene away from seeing things that don't exist, hearing voices, and feeling things that aren't there. The neural faculties to reproduce sensation and perception without actual tangible physical stimuli is as vast and comprehensive as the real world itself, if not more so. Ghosts are just an archaic explanation for things that are now wholly understood. Your mind will always fill in the blank spots in reality with the best approximation it can come up with. The blind spot in your eye is a good example of this, if you can find the test. If you line up a black dot on a white sheet of paper with the blind spot of your eye, you will see white where the blind spot is, not a hole.

This doesn't even go into things like the placebo effect-it's not just for sugar pills. If you turn on your tape recorder in a graveyard and expect, even a little eensy-teensy-tiny-bit that you're going to hear a voice in the static when you play it back, the chances are you will. If you expect to see the ghost of a young woman at the top of the stairs at midnight, chances are you will. Doesn't make it real.

[Vail]

The blind spot in your eye is a good example of this, if you can find the test. If you line up a black dot on a white sheet of paper with the blind spot of your eye, you will see white where the blind spot is, not a hole.

done that test before I know where my blind spots are.

The test is to put 2 black dots about 2-3 inchs apart (left/right) (about the size of a filled in "o" as you would normally write it) then cover one eye, stare at one dot and place your face close to the paper, you think pull your head back slowly until you notice the second dot is gone., if you don't see it disappear try again looking at the other dot.

If you expect to see the ghost of a young woman at the top of the stairs at midnight, chances are you will. Doesn't make it real.

When I was young I didn't believe in things like ghost or ufos and what not. I never expected to see what I saw years ago. I'll never know for certain what I saw that night, but I honestly to this day believe I did see a ghost.

I'm not saying you, yourself, should believe what I have to say, but don't be so quick to think anyone who believes themselves to have seen something beyond this world to be misinterpreting their senses. I know what it's like to have senses that don't work properly (my sense of taste and smell are distorted from an accident as a child) if I'm looking at steak and potatos and I eat it and taste chicken and rice, but I smell pizza and olives. Who am I to question what I'm tasting? because regardless of what I eat, the taste is what I'll take away from my food. Like you said, the mind can make things more real then the real world: and if you believe that why would you say things that the mind finds to be true to be unreal?

[Fhqwghads]

I'd have to say that of all the tens of billions of people who have been born and died, if such a thing as ghosts were real that there would be an awful lot of them running around. Sorry, I just don't buy into that nonsense.

[kuronosan]

Funny enough, I do believe in ghosts... but I think they're really just apparitions. I don't think they communicate, use sound, harm people, anything. I really think it's just residual energy of a particular person or just energy in general and your mind uses ghosts as the best explanation it can (along with sound hallucinations if necessary). The mind is a pretty powerful tool and has been known to be capable of many, many things. A good example of what I mean is this - think of a juicy, tasty, awesome steak (or other food, if you hate steak). I guarantee you can barely taste it in your mouth if you think of it enough. You also salivate, as a chemical reaction.

Heck, I bet if you think of your favorite song, you can barely hear it in your head can't you? Or how about feeling the touch of a loved one when they aren't even there?

Your senses can do powerful things without there being any sort of direct stimulation.

That's why I believe in ghosts. Their existence is very logical. Just not really provable.

[Alleya]

Funny enough, I do believe in ghosts... but I think they're really just apparitions. I don't think they communicate, use sound, harm people, anything. I really think it's just residual energy of a particular person or just energy in general and your mind uses ghosts as the best explanation it can (along with sound hallucinations if necessary).

People always talk about "energy" and the "energy" of the human body but never explain what "energy" they are talking about and why they don't think all that "energy" goes into decomposing the body when someone dies, if it goes anywhere. It seems like a pretty mysical force, considering the body runs on chemical reactions and nothing more.

The mind is a pretty powerful tool and has been known to be capable of many, many things. A good example of what I mean is this - think of a juicy, tasty, awesome steak (or other food, if you hate steak). I guarantee you can barely taste it in your mouth if you think of it enough. You also salivate, as a chemical reaction.

Heck, I bet if you think of your favorite song, you can barely hear it in your head can't you? Or how about feeling the touch of a loved one when they aren't even there?

Your senses can do powerful things without there being any sort of direct stimulation.

That's why I believe in ghosts. Their existence is very logical. Just not really provable.

I don't understand how this is an argument for the existence of ghosts, or apparitions. In fact it sounds an awful lot like my argument against them...People seem to have this fanciful idea about the mind and body being somehow strangely perfect, despite possessing the knowledge that it isn't. Every one of those senses or constructs you mentioned can be wrong, fooled, or misinterpreted very easily and often are. I think it's a false step to attribute those things to supernatural causes when the outcome cannot be reproduced.

Like you said, the mind can make things more real then the real world: and if you believe that why would you say things that the mind finds to be true to be unreal?

Because by definition something that is real, something that exists, is tangible. It's observable, reproducible. Its existence can be proven in some way that more than one person at one time can account for. It may feel real to you, but that doesn't make it real. A schizophrenic might see a thousand scorpions crawling on the floor, by your logic those scorpions are real. If that was true I'd be pretty fucking concerned about standing in the room with him, but neither I nor my fellow students nor the doctor observing with us could see/hear/taste/touch/smell them, so they didn't exist. Were they the life force energy of a thousand now-dead scorpions that only his drug-addled, scrambled mind could allow him to see? Maybe...but there's obviously no bearing on the real world- so even if that was true it wouldn't matter to anyone not hopped up on anti psychotics and their own dopamine.

[Zoot]

The only time I thought I had a ghostly encounter was about two years ago as I was falling asleep. I couldn't move, but I was wide awake, and I felt this feeling that I just could not for the life of me shake that someone was watching me and holding me down with an invisible force.

I experienced a panic so deep that it was a completely new sensation to me, then I looked up on the ceiling and swore I saw eyes staring at me. I managed to close my eyes long enough to regain the ability to jump out of bed screaming.

It shook me so much that I did some research on it, ends up, it was a condition called sleep paralysis. I don't completely discount all ghostly experiences, but I am skeptical of all of them.

[Toth]

Funny enough, I do believe in ghosts... but I think they're really just apparitions. I don't think they communicate, use sound, harm people, anything. I really think it's just residual energy of a particular person or just energy in general and your mind uses ghosts as the best explanation it can (along with sound hallucinations if necessary).

People always talk about "energy" and the "energy" of the human body but never explain what "energy" they are talking about and why they don't think all that "energy" goes into decomposing the body when someone dies, if it goes anywhere. It seems like a pretty mysical force, considering the body runs on chemical reactions and nothing more.

The mind is a pretty powerful tool and has been known to be capable of many, many things. A good example of what I mean is this - think of a juicy, tasty, awesome steak (or other food, if you hate steak). I guarantee you can barely taste it in your mouth if you think of it enough. You also salivate, as a chemical reaction.

Heck, I bet if you think of your favorite song, you can barely hear it in your head can't you? Or how about feeling the touch of a loved one when they aren't even there?

Your senses can do powerful things without there being any sort of direct stimulation.

That's why I believe in ghosts. Their existence is very logical. Just not really provable.

I don't understand how this is an argument for the existence of ghosts, or apparitions. In fact it sounds an awful lot like my argument against them...People seem to have this fanciful idea about the mind and body being somehow strangely perfect, despite possessing the knowledge that it isn't. Every one of those senses or constructs you mentioned can be wrong, fooled, or misinterpreted very easily and often are. I think it's a false step to attribute those things to supernatural causes when the outcome cannot be reproduced.

[quote:5kc04eug] Like you said, the mind can make things more real then the real world: and if you believe that why would you say things that the mind finds to be true to be unreal?

Because by definition something that is real, something that exists, is tangible. It's observable, reproducible. Its existence can be proven in some way that more than one person at one time can account for. It may feel real to you, but that doesn't make it real. A schizophrenic might see a thousand scorpions crawling on the floor, by your logic those scorpions are real. If that was true I'd be pretty fucking concerned about standing in the room with him, but neither I nor my fellow students nor the doctor observing with us could see/hear/taste/touch/smell them, so they didn't exist. Were they the life force energy of a thousand now-dead scorpions that only his drug-addled, scrambled mind could allow him to see? Maybe...but there's obviously no bearing on the real world- so even if that was true it wouldn't matter to anyone not hopped up on anti psychotics and their own dopamine.[/quote:5kc04eug]

I'm sorry but I have to ask: what is the point of completely disregarding all aspects of faith and spirituality and look at the world and the body in cold, mechanical terms? I don't see how someone can feel happy and hopeful about life if all they feel is that they and their personalities are simple chemical reactions.

[yayaok]

i can't say whether i believe in ghosts or not, but if i were to meet one i'd be like 'holy shit you're a ghost dude/t whats up' and try to talk to it lol
kinda like sixth sense, befriend some ghost and maybe later she'll save me from some assassin that tries to sneak up behind me
but really, dunno whether this makes me weird or not but i'd love to meet a ghost or some supernatural force, personally i think it'd be exciting and fun lol