Ghost caught on tape?

[Karbuncle]

Its definitly an enjoyable show to watch rather you believe in ghosts or not.

Some of the stuff on there will spook you out, and other Episodes they don't catch anything and its rather uneventfull... however, i watch the show every wednesday :3 and i have trouble sleeping afterwards :D

[Tokitoki]

I watch it every wednesday when Im home. For some odd reason I dont get Sci Fi at my school, but we get 6 HBOs 4 ESPNs and 3 Nickelodeons.

[arus2001]

I always like watching old shows like Sightings or Unsolved Mysteries. You'd see other stuff now and then, and Ghost Hunters sounds like a more specified mystery show that I've yet to personally watch. Personally, I enjoy the curiosity such "what ifs" rouse in me, but I'm also not blindingly believing in an afterlife or demons and such. Just think it'd be cool.

In terms of scientific practically, tracking it, and whatnot, the human element is certainly one factor. Yes, it could be genetic defects that allow enhanced or damaged sight, hearing, and so on. I know my sense of smell sucks, personally. My dog could fart next to me and I wouldn't notice, but my dad would complain about it from the other room.

If anything, the theory of energies, good or bad, being "burned into" an area is probably the closest thing to ghost I could personally rationalize. We're a complex mass of chemicals that do some pretty amazing things just to live. Just like scents, footprints, or other physical data, I wouldn't rule out the possibility we can leave other conventionally undetectable traces of our existence behind. Sure, we could get on just fine without scientific acceptance of ghosts, but imagine something like forensics would improve if recent paranormal activity could be read at a murder scene.

[Plow]

Is it just me or does this seem just like a religion thread?


Non-believers: lol ghosts yarite
semi-believers: I dunno, whatever
believers: nah it's real you just haven't seen the light yet


just waiting to see if it turns into classic "lol believers are dumb for believing," "no, non believers are dumb for not believing, you'll all see one day!" etc

[Seditedi]

shit thread

You can google up plenty of "ghost sightings" better than this.

[blister1]

Its definitly an enjoyable show to watch rather you believe in ghosts or not.

Some of the stuff on there will spook you out, and other Episodes they don't catch anything and its rather uneventfull... however, i watch the show every wednesday :3 and i have trouble sleeping afterwards :D

World's Scariest Places will always be #1 in my book.

[Karbuncle]

I know some peoples arguements are Human SIght/Sound/Smell defects... And i know its not everyones arguement...

But what does that have to do with Thermal Images, EVPs, and Video Recordings of this technology you so highly regard? If im not mistaking, majority of "Ghost" pictures are disproven as light on the camera, wierd out of place objects etc... But you can't explain away a Floating book, or slidding chair.. Those who stick to science as their excuse, it will also teach you Gravity, and that books don't fly.

Now some have stated already such things can be done by anyone with a 3rd grade education and a hand with photoshop...This i agree with, however this doesnt disprove the images taken 20 years ago, or further back. The Thermal Images could easily be faked as well... But the images from the 50's 60's that were taken using old camera's, back when the Home Computer wasn't a reality, how exactly do you explain those away?

Im not fight against your right to believe/not believe, im just curious, seriously... JUST CURIOUS, what you would say to defend such things?

Tl;dr version:
Im Not personally Attacking ANYONE, Im asking how you would disprove Technological Evidence such as Cameras /Videos /Thermal Images catching Books Floating / Chairs moving (Bassicly any inanimate object moving on its own, i.E No "Ghostly Images" Just Objects), How would you go about disproving this, given that there was 100% Chance no one was in the area at the time (Theres a Popular "Haunted" Library that the floating book took place in on camera). And considering in the instances of "Thermal images" it would be able to detect anything moving it.


Edit: World's Scarriest places is corny sometimes, even though i do watch it from time to time. Though if i wanted to hear woman/men scream like 3 year old girls at the sound of a tree branch cracking, i'd watch blair Witch project .... and i hate that movie D:

[Kuya]

idiotic babbling

If there's one thing life has taught me is to never engage in arguments with people who believe things because of faith, however, you are one dumb mother fucker. They are not saying that it is imposible, but rather that there is no evidence for it in order to waste any time on it. You trying to base your argument on innanimate objects suddenly moving without you first trying to tie it into your belief is so incredibly dumb i can't even fathom why you even made that post.

given that there was 100% Chance no one was in the area at the time

Except the person taking the picture.

[kuronosan]

Some funny junk.

Well, notwithstanding the hilarity of your post... did it ever occur to you that those "inanimate objects" were rigged before the filming took place?

[Karbuncle]

Tl;dr version:
Im Not personally Attacking ANYONE, Im asking how you would disprove Technological Evidence such as Cameras /Videos /Thermal Images catching Books Floating / Chairs moving (Bassicly any inanimate object moving on its own, i.E No "Ghostly Images" Just Objects), How would you go about disproving this, given that there was 100% Chance no one was in the area at the time (Theres a Popular "Haunted" Library that the floating book took place in on camera). And considering in the instances of "Thermal images" it would be able to detect anything moving it.

Now, If something was caught on a Remotely Placed thermal Camera, Example, A book Floating, or a Chair moving, What would that be Evidence of something paranormal, Or could it be disproven using Scientific Means? We're Working Under the Assumption that No one was in the room at the given time.

Im asking this question because i have witnessed an Inanimate Object moving on its own on a Thermal Imaging Camera Remotely Placed(in an Empty room) and i'm trying to figure out if theres a way i can debunk this and move on, or is it any sort of evidence of the Paranormal.

I dont hate you kuya, Kusa, Whatever, i really don't, But im Offending that you would take an honost question, where i didn't Attack Anyone, Nor did i use my Religion as a Basis for my Assumption, and warp it into something Like you did, My question wasn't intended to be a personal attack, nor was it intended to Attack someones Beleif/Thoughts on the Paranormal (or lack there of), it was simply a Technological Question based of an Event that has happened. i must admit i'm quite angry... And i had infact wrote a very long angry post, but i dont think its worth my time anymore ;x

[Kuya]

LOL

What is your first language, and do they have working shift keys in your country?

edit: holy shit you edited that out like 3 times within a fucking minute
edit: make that 4

[Karbuncle]

LOL

What is your first language, and do they have working shift keys in your country?

Damn, You caught me.

I keep My hand on the Shift Key cause i Enjoy how it gets peopls Attention :D

Also i edited my Post like 4 times into something a bit more reasonable, I remember anger is the first sign your brain isn't being worked enough (I.E your getting Dumb), and thought it out. I can see how my question could have been warped. I forgive you for your Blatent Disregard for my Question.

Also, My Religion has nothing to do wiith it, Not to mention i haven't been to church in 3 years i might as well be athiest, looking back, it was a dumb question... i really shouldn't have posted it.. you just happened to be the first to realize it

Though if you give me a moment, i have a picture for you


http://www.tripsmarter.com/travelcom...mmar-nazi2.jpg

I thought i'd post you that for my capitalization of random words :3
I figure you can appreciate a good image, especially one in good taste and humor

[Kuya]

I think flying books are the least of your worries.

[Karbuncle]

I do so agree :<
But at least it's giving me something to do :D

[Brill Weave]

This always reminds me of the religion argument. Myself personally, I do believe in ghosts and spirits and things that go bump in the night. Some of my friends who are devout Catholics & Christians would sporadically tease me about it.

My question is how can you believe in God and not believe in ghosts etc? There is equal proof for, and against, both. From the earliest time there has been belief of spirits. The same can be said for God.

Yet how is it that people hear the word Ghost and automatically dismiss it? As to the "scientific" research that the so called ghost hunters do is nothing more than theories put into action.

EVP could be interpreted as anything. And let's face it, very few people can actually understand what is being said, until the so called experts say what they think they have heard.

It comes down to belief. Because in the case of religion and the spiritual world there is no proof of any of it. It's just one person's interpretation of the world around them and their willingness, or unwillingness, to believe in something they will most likely never see or touch or feel.

[Karbuncle]

True, Very.

Sometimes i hope there isn't an afterlife, because living forever would get boring after so long i would assume, (Not assuming Rebirth and Memory Wiping)

Other times i hope there is, because 100 Years isnt enough to experiance everything you want, yah?

It's all going to come down to the moment of truth, when you die, no one will ever know before then, I can't wait!


















/shotgun

[Tokitoki]

Yet how is it that people hear the word Ghost and automatically dismiss it? As to the "scientific" research that the so called ghost hunters do is nothing more than theories put into action.

EVP could be interpreted as anything. And let's face it, very few people can actually understand what is being said, until the so called experts say what they think they have heard.

It comes down to belief. Because in the case of religion and the spiritual world there is no proof of any of it. It's just one person's interpretation of the world around them and their willingness, or unwillingness, to believe in something they will most likely never see or touch or feel.

Thats true, but that's why I said it isnt proof for or against anything. It is interesting to watch (for me at least).

[Blarg]

Why would a ghost even want to move a book or pull on a chair a bit. I doubt Hollywood has it figured out where the ghosts are giving you clues to figure out their mysterious murders. You need to come up with a good idea for why ghosts are doing what they are supposedly seen doing. Are they just dumb ghosts, their brain wouldn't exist anymore so what is letting them do things that would required a small form of intelligence. How are their non physical properties lifting up physical objects, how did they get this amazing gift to do that?

I mentioned James Randi earlier but he offers 1million dollars to demonstrate anything paranormal and for over 40 years now no one has won that money. Under controlled circumstances and viewed by people who don't jump to conclusions everything paranormal has failed to be true.

[Khamsin]

Why would a ghost even want to move a book or pull on a chair a bit. I doubt Hollywood has it figured out where the ghosts are giving you clues to figure out their mysterious murders. You need to come up with a good idea for why ghosts are doing what they are supposedly seen doing. Are they just dumb ghosts, their brain wouldn't exist anymore so what is letting them do things that would required a small form of intelligence. How are their non physical properties lifting up physical objects, how did they get this amazing gift to do that?

I mentioned James Randi earlier but he offers 1million dollars to demonstrate anything paranormal and for over 40 years now no one has won that money. Under controlled circumstances and viewed by people who don't jump to conclusions everything paranormal has failed to be true.

Because ghosts tend to haunt in the dark and it's hard to see in the dark, so they stumble around and occasionally run into books and chairs. Then they moan when they stub their toe.

[Day]

Do you have any proof to back that claim Khamsin? DIDN'T THINK SO.