Tomahawk

[Max™]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

[Xanthe]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

Number one instance: Wyrms.

[Stromgarde]

Chariots also have some form of damage % taken -. When our kclub DRK tried a souleater zerg, despite having a fanatic's drink on she was taking a lot of damage due to damage inflicted not being equal to damage restored, although I couldn't tell you the exact ratio.

[Wizerd]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

Number one instance: Wyrms.

As noted above, Jailer of Temperance as well.
(Yes I posted this and then deleted it because I thought I missed a page <_< but the forum didn't tell me there was a new post while I was posting )

Chariots also have some form of damage % taken -. When our kclub DRK tried a souleater zerg, despite having a fanatic's drink on she was taking a lot of damage due to damage inflicted not being equal to damage restored, although I couldn't tell you the exact ratio.

I think that's just a Souleater nerf, tbh. Or all dark magic (Drain, Aspir(lol), Stun).

[Xanthe]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

Number one instance: Wyrms.

As noted above, Jailer of Temperance as well.

Meh, Max was asking specifically in regard to magic resistance.

[Max™]

Figured Wyrms, Chariots is handy to know though.

Though, that is actually a good reason to unlock/cap it now.

The physical side is like "yay, melee resistant mobs, now with marginally less suck."

Being able to tell a Blm party "Ok, Tomahawk's up, have fun." Is a whole different story.

[Mabubeezareel]

Chariots also have some form of damage % taken -. When our kclub DRK tried a souleater zerg, despite having a fanatic's drink on she was taking a lot of damage due to damage inflicted not being equal to damage restored, although I couldn't tell you the exact ratio.

In regards to Angon, it will also have no effect if a mob already has a stronger defense % up effect on. This is easily seen on JoJ when it uses its defense boost move. Chariots must have an innate defense boost trait of some sort, as Angon was having no effect on LAC for me the other night. Though defense % up and damage % taken minus are two different traits.

[Xanthe]

Chariots also have some form of damage % taken -. When our kclub DRK tried a souleater zerg, despite having a fanatic's drink on she was taking a lot of damage due to damage inflicted not being equal to damage restored, although I couldn't tell you the exact ratio.

In regards to Angon, it will also have no effect if a mob already has a stronger defense % up effect on. This is easily seen on JoJ when it uses its defense boost move. Chariots must have an innate defense boost trait of some sort, as Angon was having no effect on LAC for me the other night. Though defense % up and damage % taken minus are two different traits.

That's not necessarily true though. When a crawler uses Cocoon it's a +100% defense bonus, but Angon will still overwrite it, as will Acid Bolts. The same also applies to a Crab's Scissor Guard and a Zdei's Reactor Cool, etc. A Defense Bonus trait would have no effect on Angon landing, otherwise Angon would never land on any PLD-type mob. Did you have a BLU using Frightful Roar in either of those cases? Angon will not overwrite that effect.

[Mabubeezareel]

Chariots also have some form of damage % taken -. When our kclub DRK tried a souleater zerg, despite having a fanatic's drink on she was taking a lot of damage due to damage inflicted not being equal to damage restored, although I couldn't tell you the exact ratio.

In regards to Angon, it will also have no effect if a mob already has a stronger defense % up effect on. This is easily seen on JoJ when it uses its defense boost move. Chariots must have an innate defense boost trait of some sort, as Angon was having no effect on LAC for me the other night. Though defense % up and damage % taken minus are two different traits.

That's not necessarily true though. When a crawler uses Cocoon it's a +100% defense bonus, but Angon will still overwrite it, as will Acid Bolts. The same also applies to a Crab's Scissor Guard and a Zdei's Reactor Cool, etc. A Defense Bonus trait would have no effect on Angon landing, otherwise Angon would never land on any PLD-type mob. Did you have a BLU using Frightful Roar in either of those cases? Angon will not overwrite that effect.

Good points - I stand semi-corrected.

No, definitely no BLU for us against LAC or JoJ. It's been awhile since I've fought JoJ, and I can't recall whether or not the chat log says that it wears off when it uses its defense boost or not, but I definitely know that if it already has it up then Angon will display as having no effect in the log. LAC always showed as having no effect for me, even when used right as we engaged. Could just be that chariots are simply immune to it. Does Frightful Roar have any effect on them?

Angon must just be finicky with certain of boosts/traits then, similar to the Haste/Slow relationship on crawlers vs. spiders.

[Wizerd]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

Number one instance: Wyrms.

As noted above, Jailer of Temperance as well.

Meh, Max was asking specifically in regard to magic resistance.

As was I:

It's a decent way to zerg temperance with blm . Getting the damned jailer to pop is another problem entirely.

[Kirschy]

Then I went to find an Elemental~
35, 40, 38, 38, 40
Avg - 31.8
1 - (31.8/153.86) = ~ -79.4% melee damage taken

How is your average 31 when your hits were all 35+?

Yea I made an error /w the math, the average is 38.2.
1 - (38.2/153.86) = ~75% melee damage taken

Thanks for helping me catch that, I got a PM about it also~

My personal favorite use has always been for Dynamis-Tavnazia eyes. Throw it on before a WS, and it helps bring them down just a little faster. I'd be interested to know if it works for aspi... tossing a tomahawk before a barrage of nukes or something~ If I get a chance, I'll mess around on Uragnites... would make that weird fished up NM on the boat a bit easier if you can tomahawk and nuke it =p

As for Banish /w AF2 mitts, it would follow that potency only adds MAB. This also follows the wording on the merits, and how the word potency affects blm merits. I purposely removed AF2 mitts for my test, and since I found that the entire slashing resistance was removed, didn't bother with more =x.

[Xanthe]

Hearing that Tomahawk affects magic resistances interests the hell out of me.

What mobs off hand would this come in handy at specifically?

I don't mage at all, so use big words and colorful pictures if necessary.

Number one instance: Wyrms.

As noted above, Jailer of Temperance as well.

Meh, Max was asking specifically in regard to magic resistance.

As was I:

It's a decent way to zerg temperance with blm . Getting the damned jailer to pop is another problem entirely.

*Makes an appointment for new contact lenses*

[Aragon of Odin]

So would it work against mobs like Khim or Cerb, or is that them just having high magical resistances?

[Kaylia]

Wait wait...chariots have physical damage reduction? I used tomahawk many times, but never noticed any differences. If they have one, I supose it would be something small (20% to 15%) or something.

Never had the chance to test it on wyrm, but I can't see its usefulness unless you're zerging one. Bringing a war in aoe range to increase magic damage by ~12% doesn't look like a good deal, when you could simply have a 5th blm or another drk instead.

For temperance, you don't want to fight it on blunt modes, and being able to hit for 15dmg (or nuke for 150dmg) isn't that great, especially when its 15-45sec/3minutes, and you could equip joyeuse instead.


I'm not saying tomahawk is awful, I actually use it in certain situation (fighting elemental), or any time I encounter a mobs with resist, but it's not that great either for endgame.

[Max™]

Well, looking at it as a War only (yes, one of them, I don't want too, nor will I be leveling other jobs) it's neat finding a new aspect of one of the many things in my bag of tricks.

The fact that it is specifically handy with stuff like Wyrms, and that some shells still like to SC+MB them, tossing in a Toma after I take part in an SC is just free damage for the Blm's, and all around faster kills.

That right there is unique and useful enough to have unlocked it after I read about it, and have a inventory slot taken up by Tomahawks.

[AkashiXI]

Wait wait...chariots have physical damage reduction? I used tomahawk many times, but never noticed any differences. If they have one, I supose it would be something small (20% to 15%) or something.

Never had the chance to test it on wyrm, but I can't see its usefulness unless you're zerging one. Bringing a war in aoe range to increase magic damage by ~12% doesn't look like a good deal, when you could simply have a 5th blm or another drk instead.

For temperance, you don't want to fight it on blunt modes, and being able to hit for 15dmg (or nuke for 150dmg) isn't that great, especially when its 15-45sec/3minutes, and you could equip joyeuse instead.


I'm not saying tomahawk is awful, I actually use it in certain situation (fighting elemental), or any time I encounter a mobs with resist, but it's not that great either for endgame.

You can easily take out the BRD or BLM in a Tia party so the WAR can Tomahawk and disband. For LSs like mine that do 20 min~ish Tia fights without any type of zerging involved, having something to increase nukes even further is a win-win situation.

[Max™]

Exactly!

So stop pooh-poohing on it, it gives War something useful to do as a DD besides "sit on that TP... get that link... ok, SC and disengage. Sit on that TP."

Naturally there are co-tanking considerations, but sometimes you just wanna go out and beat stuff up.

[Kaylia]

You can easily take out the BRD or BLM in a Tia party so the WAR can Tomahawk and disband. For LSs like mine that do 20 min~ish Tia fights without any type of zerging involved, having something to increase nukes even further is a win-win situation.

What setup and how many dd?

Warriors who didnt unlocked tomahawk before probably never calculated the damage output of warrior's charge. There was no reason to not take it to level 2. However, i still dont think its significant enough to bother swapping people, risking to have someone disband with claim or anything like this, for a small boost in damage.



Anyone could calculate the amount of enmity on tomahawk? I'm almost certain there is a decent number of hate on it, because I turned a mobs using it a few times.

[Max™]

Tell me how and I'll go test it.

[Zilong]

Anyone could calculate the amount of enmity on tomahawk? I'm almost certain there is a decent number of hate on it, because I turned a mobs using it a few times.

1 CE 600 VE according to kaeko's table