Absolute Virtue and Me: Back to the Beginning of 2006

[Veli]

It's a fantastic idea and I appreciate the time you took to come up with the theory, however, since you've read all the threads you know the first thing that everyone was going to say was try it yourself and post the results. It's not that the idea's are bad, it's that people are jaded and have explored a lot of options already, if someone comes up with a new one, they're not going to be inclined to try it without some proof of potential.

Every linkshell should try this.. There's really no other answer to it. I'm almost sure if a decent ls does this they will kill AV.

[TB]

and have explored a lot of options already

That's unfortunately not true. :/

I think people have explored dying over and over with a little of casting a spell and coming to a conclusion

sarcasm aside it's mostly people over analyzing the NM and not analyzing what we know and the whole picture.

You say you read all the threads, but then you say this. There were a LOT of exhaustive tests done by MULTIPLE linkshells attempting a variety of different strategies in the weeks following the release of SE's video. I don't think you realize how much work was actually done.

And after 1 week everyone stopped, even though there were new theories and ideas. I always try to push my LS to try stuff, but unfortunately it sucks too much and just lets it depop. It's frustrating...

[siknoz]

Unfortunately, the flaw that I see in your theory is this. If you plan to not use BLM spells once the regen is broke, how will you know to stop nuking? You are seriously not suggesting that 1 BLM toss a thunder 2 on lightningsday until it stops going from 99%->100% are you? Because if you have to stop blm nukes once regen is broken, that would mean something happens if you continue to do damage w/ blm nukes. That control variable is just too tedious. I do welcome new ideas about AV, but I see too many flaws.
We tried AV recently with the variable of 1) no damage at all, 2) only blm damage using element of the day. #1 didn't work at all as he still continued to attack at the same speed and use WS/Spells at the same rate. As well his first 2hr was Manafont followed with Comet->Comet->Meteor. #2 Didn't work as well, did the exact same as #1 and used chainspell first, then used manafont the 2nd time.
I think Sundi just enjoys reading 200 page threads on BG while laughing his head off. He has to have some amusement at work I suppose. Glad we could provide it.

[Avanarius]

Unfortunately, the flaw that I see in your theory is this. If you plan to not use BLM spells once the regen is broke, how will you know to stop nuking? You are seriously not suggesting that 1 BLM toss a thunder 2 on lightningsday until it stops going from 99%->100% are you? Because if you have to stop blm nukes once regen is broken, that would mean something happens if you continue to do damage w/ blm nukes. That control variable is just too tedious. I do welcome new ideas about AV, but I see too many flaws.
We tried AV recently with the variable of 1) no damage at all, 2) only blm damage using element of the day. #1 didn't work at all as he still continued to attack at the same speed and use WS/Spells at the same rate. As well his first 2hr was Manafont followed with Comet->Comet->Meteor. #2 Didn't work as well, did the exact same as #1 and used chainspell first, then used manafont the 2nd time.
I think Sundi just enjoys reading 200 page threads on BG while laughing his head off. He has to have some amusement at work I suppose. Glad we could provide it.

I knew someone was going to post this, so I'll clarify:

I believe that you ONLY are working towards breaking his regen entirely BECAUSE you are entirely restricted to ONLY using melee, job ability, and dot damage.

simple as that.

[tymora]

We should follow the way and advocate a policy of non-violence. Well, perhaps not extreme violence.

I think the OP is suggesting we try whittling it down without WS, high tier magic to see if AV will retaliate with his characteristic "you die now!" moves.

And seriously speaking, if I were part of a LS that found the strategy to kill AV, I would ask everyone in the LS to zip their mouths shut at least for quite a while. If you want to know the method then, feel free to observe but don't expect to be spoon-fed.

[Neometalrain]

Can we just stick with the fact that AV is unbeatable and that SE has the worst customer service in the world.

[Khelek]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

[Shuemue]

Sath, wherefore art thou, Sath?

[Veli]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

What do you want a step by step video of how to defeat AV? They gave us the answer already...Just nobody cares for the drops i guess.

[altwight]

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought dots immediately wore off on AV?

[chapstick]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

Fix how? Make it zergable? Make it just another NM anyone can kill so everyone loads up with the items within a month? I dunno, I kinda like that so few people can have the items so far.

They don't want to hold our hands through it.

[Aquilo]

Can we just stick with the fact that AV is unbeatable and that SE has the worst customer service in the world.

[Tricen]

Can we just stick with the fact that AV is unbeatable and that SE has the worst customer service in the world.

Hate to quote train, but there is just too much truth to this.

[Therin]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

What do you want a step by step video of how to defeat AV? They gave us the answer already...Just nobody cares for the drops i guess.

I'm not normally directly rude, but you're really really stupid.

[Conrad]

That is an excellent point that I didn't even acknowledge; the fact that you don't use magic or weapon skills would considerably increase the length of the fight, and when sundi says speed everyone thinks you have to kill him super fast.

Patience is a virtue...

[dyluck]

That is an excellent point that I didn't even acknowledge; the fact that you don't use magic or weapon skills would considerably increase the length of the fight, and when sundi says speed everyone thinks you have to kill him super fast.

Patience is a virtue...

this guy may be on to something...quick we better start a new thread!

[Veli]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

What do you want a step by step video of how to defeat AV? They gave us the answer already...Just nobody cares for the drops i guess.

I'm not normally directly rude, but you're really really stupid.

Nothing stupid about what I said. I see more people crying than trying. Me I actually don't care.. Asking SE to show you how to kill just shows nobody wants a challenge from this game people just want items. People rather sit down and get Fafnir #293. There's no challenge in this game at all besides time.. They give a challenge just to find out we don't want a challenge.. We want items.

[Cog]

a. it's impossible to tell what AV's regen or HP are at any time in the video because they dont target the NM.
b. none of them "use" their 2-hr abilities at all, except the paladin whose partner gets medusa javelin to the face.
c. we got to see about 2 minutes of a ~2 hour fight, if u think the black mages were doing nothing the rest of the time, *scoff*
d. and for that matter, the melee jobs.

As soon as they finish breaking Absolute Virtues regen in the video by casting the spell based on the day, they: Don't cast a single black mage nuke through the entire course of the video. ....I've analyzed all videos thoroughly and they don't cast any spells while using Manafont and the only notable nuke is right at the end of the fight (Thunder III/IV) as a kill shot nuke.

e. that "killshot nuke" came after 2 almost-killshot WS that almost created a killshot skillchain...
f. if they didn't cheat to kill AV then there really is a 2hr reset (blm smn rdm brd, isnt it obvious)

[orson]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

What do you want a step by step video of how to defeat AV? They gave us the answer already...Just nobody cares for the drops i guess.

I think you're right, no one really wants to waste countless hours, lose thousands of exp points, and ultimately just end up wiping to have a chance to get slightly better gear than what's available. At this point yes fucking rights I'll take a step by step video of how to beat him SE fucking cheated and used non-stop 2hrs in the video how do we even know that they actually put the clue in the video? There big clue might have been "use wind resistance against aero spells" this would follow suit along with all the other stupid inane hints like how to get rid of his regen.

Also get real, how is it challenging? It's just broken and SE is terrible at giving it's players any sort of info on how to do anything in the game. How many quests are go get this item or find out this information if you actually had to do quests and missions just by winging it most of the time you'd be fucking lost and have no clue. If SE was smart they'd actually have the information on how to beat AV through NPCs in sea or else where in Vanadiel.

[Plow]

I still think we should just boycott AV until they fix it :/

What do you want a step by step video of how to defeat AV? They gave us the answer already...Just nobody cares for the drops i guess.

I'm not normally directly rude, but you're really really stupid.

Nothing stupid about what I said. I see more people crying than trying. Me I actually don't care.. Asking SE to show you how to kill just shows nobody wants a challenge from this game people just want items. People rather sit down and get Fafnir #293. There's no challenge in this game at all besides time.. They give a challenge just to find out we don't want a challenge.. We want items.

A challenge would be AV with all his current abilities other than benediction. The fact of the matter is, even if someone manages to survive or eliminate the "u die now" moments of comet/meteor spam, you can't kill a mob that can't be stunned, has a moderately high hp pool, and uses benediction whenever it needs a heal.

There's a difference between a hard fight and a fight that has some bullshit trick that's preventing players from even having a chance to test their skill.