Absolute Virtue and Me: Back to the Beginning of 2006

[Plow]

amazing how many people post without having read the original thread, where multiple attempts failed due to a freaking ton of benedictions

there was even quite a bit of discussion about the possibility that his hp may get lower with time because later benedictions didn't seem to do as much from similar percentages... unfortunately most of the benediction issues were hours and hours into the fights



anyway, my point was simply that there's a difference between "here's a hardass mob" and "here's an unstoppable killing machine that also happens to be capable of instantly healing itself for any amount of hp, repeatedly"

I've not only read those threads, not only posted in them frequently at the time, but participated in one of the fights whose Benediction values indicated his HP values changed that you referred to, so don't give me this "read the original threads" bullshit. None of those AV attempts--nor any other--has ever failed because of benediction. Sure it may have benedictioned after the fact, but that's never been the reason people lost. It's always been a massive slaughter followed by a Benediction that rubs salt on the wounds.

Anyway, my point was simply, don't dwell on benediction, because once people have worked out the real obstacles to AV, benediction will probably work itself out, too.

Uh, you're telling me the people that burned through AV's entire hp pool 10 times over didn't fail due to the benedictions?

[Suiram]

No I'm telling you that that (people burning his HP pool 10 times and ultimately giving up because he kept using Benediction) never happened.

However, if you can find one of these "original threads" where that supposedly happened and post the link, I'll eat my hat and admit wrong or however that saying goes.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. The original Odin AV attempt did have multiple benedictions after the first one at 51% which did ultimately lead to them giving up, although they hadn't stopped Manafont or the other things that I think are the more immediate obstacles, they had just avoided it via the wall.

[Plow]

Read the threads, it is there, the time when it was figured out that they were getting different numbers he was below 50% repeatedly.


I'll look a little bit but I'm not searching for 10 hours through 10000 posts to find the few pages you missed.

[Suiram]

Yeah I found it. He wasn't below 50% repeatedly though. It says he was at 51~52%, benedictioned, then they could never get it down another 20% or so before it benedictioned again, although they managed to avoid meteor and the other 2Hs with careful wall positioning. Anyway sorry about that, it seems that whenever I do find myself being an asshole about something are the times I'm most often wrong.

[Seraphus]

One thing I'm curious about. Has anyone tried trading their Sea Weapon to AV?

Something just tells me that SE made the weapons 100% drop for a reason.

[Max™]

One thing I'm curious about. Has anyone tried trading their Sea Weapon to AV?

Something just tells me that SE made the weapons 100% drop for a reason.

incrediblediscoverycard.jpg anyone?

[Lordender]

oh come on, AV is the epitome of poor design. People don't even care about it anymore hence the reason why a lot of the theories were never tested to the extreme. This mob is so poorly designed that no one even knows if it is working correctly or has ever worked correctly. No major break through was made even when people tried to follow SE's peice of shit video. Yes, the video is a peice of shit thats 100% worthless because everything thats shown on it was followed very closely yet no break through was ever made, the video is absolute fail.

SE couldn't even do a hint video correctly on a mob they created. Before anyone pulls the "their not gonna tell you how to beat it card" I know that, but they should of given atleast 1 proven concrete hint so that players could have a STARTING place and something to go on other than vague 2hours being used when AV uses them.

[Suterusu]

My mule has 15 JoL pop sets on it waiting for one of you fuck heads to come out of the closet with answers. Speak damnit, I need inventory space.

[Therin]

My mule has 15 JoL pop sets on it waiting for one of you fuck heads to come out of the closet with answers. Speak damnit, I need inventory space.

Wow, that's incredibly silly. AV will never be beaten, not unless they weaken him or release enfeebling items, or give us more details. I'd use those sets.

[Khajit]

To the best of my recollection, no AV attempt has ever lost due to a Benediction in a situation where the people fighting it felt it would have otherwise been winnable under the circumstances. Do you know of one?

To the best of my recollection, no AV attempt has ever gotten AV below 79% (and lasted) without locking it or using the wall. It's not fair to say Benediction isn't a problem just because it hasn't wiped anyone yet - if everyone thought that way, we'd never use any preventative safety measures for anything in real life until someone has already gotten hurt and/or died.

I think what you said reinforces my point, even if you intended to refute it lol. Benediction is not what is preventing people from killing AV. It's what people think would prevent them from killing it were they able to overcome the stuff that actually does. But who is to say that whatever solution that exists to these other questions doesn't also cover benediction, or indicate a related solution for it, or at the very least allow for people to analyze what could be done to overcome it? That's not the situation we're in now (or have ever been).

Does anyone have that "absolute virtue uses benediction. Absolute virtue recovers 64,234 HP" picture. That counts as a time where AV would have been defeated but wasn't thanks to benediction since if it hadn't used it the group would have actually won.

[Suterusu]

My mule has 15 JoL pop sets on it waiting for one of you fuck heads to come out of the closet with answers. Speak damnit, I need inventory space.

Wow, that's incredibly silly. AV will never be beaten, not unless they weaken him or release enfeebling items, or give us more details. I'd use those sets.

Jerm farmed most all of them, well the first 13. We've been popping them since then. Did 2 recently but no AV. He asked for us not to pop those sets until we have a decent shot at AV. (I'd argue differently, but I didn't farm for months for those sets.)

[Maxxthepenguin]

My mule has 15 JoL pop sets on it waiting for one of you fuck heads to come out of the closet with answers. Speak damnit, I need inventory space.

Then fucking test some theories and try some things god damn it. Otherwise we'll just keep having little bitches keep whining and saying:

Wow, that's incredibly silly. AV will never be beaten, not unless they weaken him or release enfeebling items, or give us more details. I'd use those sets.

Be proactive



Is anyone willing to try anything, or are you all waiting for somebody else to come up with the answer?

[*Shinzon*]

My mule has 15 JoL pop sets on it waiting for one of you fuck heads to come out of the closet with answers. Speak damnit, I need inventory space.

Then fucking test some theories and try some things god damn it. Otherwise we'll just keep having little bitches keep whining and saying:

Wow, that's incredibly silly. AV will never be beaten, not unless they weaken him or release enfeebling items, or give us more details. I'd use those sets.

Be proactive



Is anyone willing to try anything, or are you all waiting for somebody else to come up with the answer?

Most of us in Demo felt that no body else on the server would try it until we figured it out. We were under the impression another linkshell had upwards of 10 pops that they were just sitting on. We did 4 or 5 AV's back to back when we had the sets and were just fed up with most the failed attemps and theories.

[Suterusu]

Like I said. I didn't farm them, so I can't really go around popping JoL whenever someone graces us with their "new" ideas we've heard 10 threads ago. As for myself I've been bent over by AV plenty of times. I much prefer massive dmg AoE jump to meteor though. Atleast then AV looks cool killing you.


Let's hold it at the foot print for 6 hours until almost all of us are 74! ^-^ (it happened ; ; )

[Maxxthepenguin]

The theory I posted has not been disproven. It was an idea posted by one LS, many months ago.

Using 2h in response to AV 2h shortens 2h duration and lengthens time between 2hs, postulated that it is by 20s with initial delay being 20s and 2hs possibly responding to triggers. It fits what the video showed, makes sense that it was hard to see, and can make AV's 2s manageable and predictable.

There's a theory, test it. If it doesn't work, try to strip your strategy down and get some raw data of what AV does without interaction.

[Suterusu]

Or I can say STFU and do your own damn testing. AV drops aren't as game breaking as let's say... Askar Helm or K. Body.

[*Shinzon*]

Lol, so your first post tells people to find a strategy so you can use those pops you're sitting on. People tell you to go test a strategy because they don't have pops available for use, and now you tell people to do their own testing? Interesting.

[Suterusu]

I also said twice the pops aren't mine, I didn't farm them. Yes it's sitting on my mule because it's the bank, but no, I didn't farm them so I won't mandate their usage.

[Maxxthepenguin]

If I could, I sure as hell would. You sure as hell can. You may not be able to mandate their usage, but if you were the one entrusted with the pop items, you probably have enough sway to say "let's give this a shot." You can't say somebody else will do it because with 90% of the posts in every AV thread being bitching and moaning or calling for Sath to do the bitching and moaning for them it is clear that people just plain refuse.

I just wanted to make sure that you're in the 'let somebody else do it' majority. It's not to single you out, you're just an example. I am sick of BG stagnating on figuring this out. It's pathetic that nobody tries anything anymore on the forum dedicated to endgame. After the video there were about 4 serious tries and then nothing. The last serious try came up with a plausible theory and nobody has tried it to my knowledge.

[Suterusu]

OK, I've got my own idea, bear with me here... Since the end game scene on AV has died let's move all the end game shells to Fairy. We can burn thru the 15 sets of pops with 1,498 people. We will CFH it and have 374 BLM burst II it once it's lightningsday. After that 112 DRK with krakens will start beating on it. If it's still above 50% We will start our Mijin order followed by spirits within. At this point if we haven't full wiped we will SMN burn it to finish it off. Isn't that a swell idea? Your lazy if you don't want to help. I'm giving you the chance to. Fifteen pop sets to test my idea, I just need the people now. ^-^



Edit: You can farm a JoL set in a few days, good chance AV will pop. Don't bitch that you don't have the resources to do it. Most tierI can be solo'd or low manned. I'm sure you have 18 people in your LS for tierII and JoL. Majority or not, until something that's not half assed or simply retarded comes about, I don't feel like it's worth testing these theories myself.