Absolute Virtue and Me: Back to the Beginning of 2006

[*Shinzon*]

OK, I've got my own idea, bear with me here... Since the end game scene on AV has died let's move all the end game shells to Fairy. We can burn thru the 15 sets of pops with 1,498 people. We will CFH it and have 374 BLM burst II it once it's lightningsday. After that 112 DRK with krakens will start beating on it. If it's still above 50% We will start our Mijin order followed by spirits within. At this point if we haven't full wiped we will SMN burn it to finish it off. Isn't that a swell idea? Your lazy if you don't want to help. I'm giving you the chance to. Fifteen pop sets to test my idea, I just need the people now. ^-^



Edit: You can farm a JoL set in a few days, good chance AV will pop. Don't bitch that you don't have the resources to do it. Most tierI can be solo'd or low manned. I'm sure you have 18 people in your LS for tierII and JoL. Majority or not, until something that's not half assed or simply retarded comes about, I don't feel like it's worth testing these theories myself.

You know what, then you're best bet would have been to not say anything about the pops. You don't feel its worth it? Good then theres no reason to start spouting off about people not wanting to try. If those comments were directed at me in anyway, Demo was probably one of the first linkshells to post full chat logs of the fight along with several videos of what didn't work. How about this, why don't you go record your fights, post your chat logs, or just shut up already. I also forgot Novio's and Novia's were such mediocre items that JoL sets should only be used to pop AV.

[Suterusu]

Wasn't talking to you in any way shape or form. Thanks for the input though, I guess.


Edit: Where did I complain about people not wanting to try? I believe that was Max's comment towards me.

[*Shinzon*]

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Majority or not, until something that's not half assed or simply retarded comes about, I don't feel like it's worth testing these theories myself.

[Ramses]

I really hope SE doesn't release any more hints. AV is not broken and there is no SE conspiracy. The reason AV hasn't been beaten is because people prefer crying to actually fighting him. There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived. The only thing keeping AV from being beaten at this point by a skilled ls with enough people is player mistakes while fighting him, lack of data of AV behavior at lower hp or really bad luck. There is nothing AV does that can't be handled. All the crying and juvenile posts are not helping.

[Suterusu]

AV threads:

http://www.seedsofgrowth.com/files/i...ing%20tail.jpg

[ronin sparthos]

I really hope SE doesn't release any more hints. AV is not broken and there is no SE conspiracy. The reason AV hasn't been beaten is because people prefer crying to actually fighting him. There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived. The only thing keeping AV from being beaten at this point by a skilled ls with enough people is player mistakes while fighting him, lack of data of AV behavior at lower hp or really bad luck. There is nothing AV does that can't be handled. All the crying and juvenile posts are not helping.

Because people havent been trying since the late-CoP era right? Because the video dropped obvious hints that everyone except you are too stupid to understand right? Because AV doesnt melee, use TP moves, have wyvnavs and doesnt Benediction right? Because there is a perfect way to handle AV without mistakes right? Because the developers havent dragged this mess out long enough right? Because something instacasting meteor with a huge range isnt kind of ludicrous right? Because farming JOL and HOPING AV spawns isnt a huge enough timesink to get your ass handed right? Because JOL isnt a long, protracted fight that possibly leads into a 3-4hr HNM even if AV could be defeated right?

[Maytag]

AV has never been brought below 79%-78% without using glitches or exploits. So yes, Benediction has never stopped anyone from killing him in a *legit* fight. Those Benediction screen shots you guys are talking about are all from wall-trick fights. Benediction really is an overrated ability of AV's, considering how rarely he does it. (At least within the first 20%.) This was commented upon in the original threads as well.

There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived.

I think that word "easy" might be a slight exaggeration. In theory it may be survivable, but in every legit AV attempt I've ever read about, the first Manafont has always led to a wipe, no exceptions. If you think your LS can survive Manafont, why don't you do it and record a video. I promise you it would garner a lot of attention.

[Melchiah]

wut r u talkin about ronin... we dun kill AV becuz we r 2 cool 2 care

[Suterusu]

Ronin your sig is pretty cool, but you're using the same thing as your avatar =(

[Maxxthepenguin]

Because people havent been trying since the late-CoP era right?

Not many.

Because the video dropped obvious hints that everyone except you are too stupid to understand right?

To me the issue is the video gave us the basic strategy but the results of the successful strategy aren't clear. Finding out what it does is the issue.

Because AV doesnt melee, use TP moves, have wyvnavs and doesnt Benediction right?

All those can be dealt with. Bene is a big fucking annoyance but is able to be dealt with if we can deal with AV.

Because there is a perfect way to handle AV without mistakes right?

We don't know

Because the developers havent dragged this mess out long enough right?

I'm pissed at SE too, at this point they need to release the strat with a note: "our fanbase is retarded"

Because something instacasting meteor with a huge range isnt kind of ludicrous right?

The theory is that it is controllable. In any case, we all know meteor is conditional and there are ways to survive it.

Because farming JOL and HOPING AV spawns isnt a huge enough timesink to get your ass handed right? Because JOL isnt a long, protracted fight that possibly leads into a 3-4hr HNM even if AV could be defeated right?

Well yes, SE did make it retarded in many ways. Just not enough ways to make me think we should give up.




And no, I don't have the resources to test. Seriously.

[Titanss]

only way to defeat AV:

/sh {Ninja}'s 70+ {Gather Together}>>{sea} {Mijin Gakure} {Gear}+4+ {alliance} needed> Freelot on {waist} {Thank You}

Edit: lawl @ 666

[Therin]

Sut, would you mind having Jerm post the strats that he used to solo Justice/Hope/Prudence?

Thanks.

[Ramses]

I really hope SE doesn't release any more hints. AV is not broken and there is no SE conspiracy. The reason AV hasn't been beaten is because people prefer crying to actually fighting him. There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived. The only thing keeping AV from being beaten at this point by a skilled ls with enough people is player mistakes while fighting him, lack of data of AV behavior at lower hp or really bad luck. There is nothing AV does that can't be handled. All the crying and juvenile posts are not helping.

Because people havent been trying since the late-CoP era right? Because the video dropped obvious hints that everyone except you are too stupid to understand right? Because AV doesnt melee, use TP moves, have wyvnavs and doesnt Benediction right? Because there is a perfect way to handle AV without mistakes right? Because the developers havent dragged this mess out long enough right? Because something instacasting meteor with a huge range isnt kind of ludicrous right? Because farming JOL and HOPING AV spawns isnt a huge enough timesink to get your ass handed right? Because JOL isnt a long, protracted fight that possibly leads into a 3-4hr HNM even if AV could be defeated right?

So you are saying AV shouldn't melee, use tp, cast spells or use ja's? Yes the way he pops sucks, everything else can be dealt with.

[Ramses]

AV has never been brought below 79%-78% without using glitches or exploits. So yes, Benediction has never stopped anyone from killing him in a *legit* fight. Those Benediction screen shots you guys are talking about are all from wall-trick fights. Benediction really is an overrated ability of AV's, considering how rarely he does it. (At least within the first 20%.) This was commented upon in the original threads as well.

There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived.

I think that word "easy" might be a slight exaggeration. In theory it may be survivable, but in every legit AV attempt I've ever read about, the first Manafont has always led to a wipe, no exceptions. If you think your LS can survive Manafont, why don't you do it and record a video. I promise you it would garner a lot of attention.

The reason people wipe to meteor is because the only strategy they use is to stand there and eat it. It seems they think doing more of this will eventually work. If I wanted attention, I would post a step by step guide to AV. I want my ls to do it, but AV has not popped for us in ages and we have done plenty of JoL in the past few months. And sadly I am on ps3 so I can't make any video even if he does pop.

[Day]

I really hope SE doesn't release any more hints. AV is not broken and there is no SE conspiracy. The reason AV hasn't been beaten is because people prefer crying to actually fighting him. There have been enough hints given to beat him. Comet, comet, meteor is the problem? If you seriously can't survive comet, comet, meteor you have no business fighting AV. That is easily survived. The only thing keeping AV from being beaten at this point by a skilled ls with enough people is player mistakes while fighting him, lack of data of AV behavior at lower hp or really bad luck. There is nothing AV does that can't be handled. All the crying and juvenile posts are not helping.

I liked this post a lot. I've kept from posting in any AV thread so far, because I am unable to test anything what so ever, so my opinion really holds no weight I guess, other than having read every painful post on BG about AV. The above is pretty much how I feel though. I do feel like AV is beatable. There's obviously something (missing link if you will) that everyone is missing, that would make this a much easier fight. I guess there comes a point where the majority of the community just plain old does not care anymore, and I'm starting to think we've reached that point with this mob.

[Suterusu]

Sut, would you mind having Jerm post the strats that he used to solo Justice/Hope/Prudence?

Thanks.

Haha Therin, funny. If you need Jerm you know where to find him.

[ronin sparthos]

The issue at this point is that many people have given up and if its like any of the other content that people have given up on then only Square can respark interest in the activity of AV. Its like all dead content in FFXI, a few people can say that they all arent dead but if the playerbase dictates that is is dead, then it is. It isn't a cardinal sin to revive something the players of the game dont care about anymore.

I understand the developer point of view that the playerbase will bitch about things at times (5&6 floor Zhayolm Frogs come to mind) but the Absolute Virtue issue has spanned years and obviously the playerbase does not care about decrypting crude hints on how to defeat him, not to mention he is a complete hassle to actively test due to his unpredictability and the JOL farming issue. Its been a long run, just drop the defining hint and develop the 'next' incarnation of AV already.

Thats part of what makes AV so frustrating really, the fact that SE drags the issue out so long then drops a video with such a cryptic hint. Its like being given a puzzle, mailing out for a hint to the solution of the puzzle, solution takes 3 years to come back and then you get another puzzle on your doorstep. Im sure this isnt only an NA/EU sentiment either since the JP endgamers dont seem to care about figuring out a 3 year old puzzle either and with that the racial aspect is out the window.

Seriously would it be so hard to have JOL drop something that spawns AV? At least then people could hold the pop item if they aren't prepared to do testing on him and do it on their own time? The 'surprise' factor isnt really fun when you've just lowmanned JOL and get surprised with something so rare.

Ronin your sig is pretty cool, but you're using the same thing as your avatar =(

:D - i try to match them all.

[Therin]

Sut, would you mind having Jerm post the strats that he used to solo Justice/Hope/Prudence?

Thanks.

Haha Therin, funny. If you need Jerm you know where to find him.

You keep saying, "Not our pops, Jerm farmed them," knowing well that he HAD to have the linkshell's help to do so. No one can solo Justice. Hope, maybe. Prudence, probably not. Justice, definitely not. You can't tell me that not one person who "helped him farm these sets" wanted anything from JoL, and by saving the pops you're denying them all their drops just so you can appease one person who didn't even put in any extra work than anyone else (sorry buddy, but running a sea farm and building those alliances isn't hard, any halfwit can do it).

That's fair, sure.

[SHADOWMAGE]

I thought AV usually does Aero spells when Chainspelling?

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4...respam3gl5.jpg

[Avanarius]

Seriously would it be so hard to have JOL drop something that spawns AV? At least then people could hold the pop item if they aren't prepared to do testing on him and do it on their own time? The 'surprise' factor isnt really fun when you've just lowmanned JOL and get surprised with something so rare.

Since I think absolute virtue isn't really broken, I believe this would be the right steps to asking SE to "adjust" the mob.