Absolute Virtue and Me: Back to the Beginning of 2006

[siknoz]

To derail this thread into something useful (lol?), a few people have said that Meteor is survivable. Would these people care to elaborate how to avoid a 2000+ damage instacast spell that has a 50' range while keeping tanks alive afterwards? Even if you were as lucky as we were to get comet->comet->meteor, and had EVERYONE but the tanks turn tail and haul ass outside the range of meteor. By the time you got back to the tanks, they would most likely be dead. Most of the manafonts I've seen though have been Meteor on the first try, which is impossible to avoid.

[Suterusu]

No Therin, I'm saying we've had an understanding with Jerm, or atleast Ant and some other leaders, when he low manned almost every TierI pop. People who farmed those have gotten our latest Novia's and Novio's as well. I didn't say we aren't popping -any-, just not the orginal 13. As I said before, I'd rather pop them. This isn't my decision(sp) as I've already said several times. I don't see what the big deal is.


Edit: We should be popping 2 JoL here soon, if Fairy's end game had any interest in trying AV as a server I'd be down for it. I doubt I will be getting tells from Eudon, MMD, Ryuushin or Rykoshet anytime soon though. It's just something let free 90% of the time in which random people claim, cfh, screenshot and die to it.

[Ramses]

To derail this thread into something useful (lol?), a few people have said that Meteor is survivable. Would these people care to elaborate how to avoid a 2000+ damage instacast spell that has a 50' range while keeping tanks alive afterwards? Even if you were as lucky as we were to get comet->comet->meteor, and had EVERYONE but the tanks turn tail and haul ass outside the range of meteor. By the time you got back to the tanks, they would most likely be dead. Most of the manafonts I've seen though have been Meteor on the first try, which is impossible to avoid.

AV usually does not cast meteor first. You are unlucky if he has most of the time for you. And sure, here's how you survive meteor:

The second you see manafont in the log, shadowbind and everyone run one way, tanks run in opposite direction. Plds pop fealty. All you need is one comet first, two is a bonus. Make sure everyone in your ls knows where they are going beforehand and is well disciplined not to screw it up. If he does happen to use meteor first, that falls under where I said "really bad luck" and mentioned needing enough ls members to swap in and recover.

It's just logic people, use what you know works instead of looking for a fix all. I've laid out every single thing AV does on my ls website and took each one separately and dealt with it. Everyone needs to learn it by heart and execute almost flawlessly. No, it's not easy, but also far from impossible.

[Suterusu]

Then do it?

[Ramses]

Then do it?

See my previous post.

[SHADOWMAGE]

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[Avanarius]

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[SHADOWMAGE]

Lol I still have hopes AV will be defeated in the next few weeks, months, or years. If SE was to change something about AV, I would only ask them to make AV a 100% pop rather than this random pop shit.

Its hard to test theory, against a monster that doesn't pop 100% of a time.If players can non-stop fight him, than maybe they can understand AV a lil better.

[XanthePandy]

The fact that AV is actually a random pop is the main difference between the devs' video and player attempts. They know that he's going to pop so they have the right jobs/gear ready. Plus everyone there knows how to deal with the situation. At the moment, through all these ninja-edits, we have absolutely no idea what to expect when he pops besides a big ol' bag of raep. Its a choice between a very efficient JoL fight or sticking with the devs' rules just to make a potential AV pop more successful. Until people actually work together and stick with current theories when fighting JoL in hopes of AV popping, nobody will make any progress.

The main problem with the attempts after the release of the video was that the LSes who tried it didn't exactly know what strategy to follow since it was all rushed. Its understandable but because of that, there is no reason for the things they did try to be completely disproved because it didn't work out. I think if someone has an LS that would like to work towards figuring out AV that would be everybody's best bet in finding out how AV reacts to certain things.

I think everybody has had their own theories on how to take down AV but without a group of dedicated players willing to listen to their leaders' every word and follow a plan step-by-step without trying to wing it when things go bad, AV won't come close to being beaten.

(Its not pessimism its, unfortunately, the truth at the moment.)

[Avanarius]

The fact that AV is actually a random pop is the main difference between the devs' video and player attempts. They know that he's going to pop so they have the right jobs/gear ready. Plus everyone there knows how to deal with the situation. At the moment, through all these ninja-edits, we have absolutely no idea what to expect when he pops besides a big ol' bag of raep. Its a choice between a very efficient JoL fight or sticking with the devs' rules just to make a potential AV pop more successful. Until people actually work together and stick with current theories when fighting JoL in hopes of AV popping, nobody will make any progress.

The main problem with the attempts after the release of the video was that the LSes who tried it didn't exactly know what strategy to follow since it was all rushed. Its understandable but because of that, there is no reason for the things they did try to be completely disproved because it didn't work out. I think if someone has an LS that would like to work towards figuring out AV that would be everybody's best bet in finding out how AV reacts to certain things.

I think everybody has had their own theories on how to take down AV but without a group of dedicated players willing to listen to their leaders' every word and follow a plan step-by-step without trying to wing it when things go bad, AV won't come close to being beaten.

(Its not pessimism its, unfortunately, the truth at the moment.)

well the way you put it yeah, it's not pessimism but most people are lulzunbeatableNMPatchPlz

[Thris]

"fuck se, it's broken, we have 10 kc drks, and it's not dead, it's broken!"

36 KC drks is obviously the answer.

[SHADOWMAGE]

The fact that AV is actually a random pop is the main difference between the devs' video and player attempts. They know that he's going to pop so they have the right jobs/gear ready. Plus everyone there knows how to deal with the situation. At the moment, through all these ninja-edits, we have absolutely no idea what to expect when he pops besides a big ol' bag of raep. Its a choice between a very efficient JoL fight or sticking with the devs' rules just to make a potential AV pop more successful. Until people actually work together and stick with current theories when fighting JoL in hopes of AV popping, nobody will make any progress.

The main problem with the attempts after the release of the video was that the LSes who tried it didn't exactly know what strategy to follow since it was all rushed. Its understandable but because of that, there is no reason for the things they did try to be completely disproved because it didn't work out. I think if someone has an LS that would like to work towards figuring out AV that would be everybody's best bet in finding out how AV reacts to certain things.

I think everybody has had their own theories on how to take down AV but without a group of dedicated players willing to listen to their leaders' every word and follow a plan step-by-step without trying to wing it when things go bad, AV won't come close to being beaten.

(Its not pessimism its, unfortunately, the truth at the moment.)

The truth hurts ><... can I add something about Aldaris

Today our linkshell tried two attempts on AV our first attempt lasted ten minutes. The fight went fairly well.

Our alliance set up was very similar to the video SE gave to us.

In our fist attempt we noticed a larger gape between AV’s two hours. (Going along with the quote in SHADOWMAGE post.)

For ever time AV uses a two hour; we countered AV with (one) of our two hours. The duration from what is said to be 55-65 seconds. We noticed an increased 20 seconds roughly every time we countered him. At the end of the battle before we died, AV had a gap between his two hours for 3 min 14 seconds roughly.

AV uses Call Wyvern

Time between was 2 min 50 seconds

AV uses Chainspell
(During this Chainspell only lasted 15-20 seconds) AV only casted one Aeroga IV and one Torando II.)

Time between was 3 min 14 seconds

AV uses Manafont

2nd attempt had somewhat same results AV continued with random 2 hours followed by us countering but nothing was as obvious as our first attempt. The times were more accurate than the 2nd one. And then Server took a dumb.

I hope this information provides help for future fights.

GL

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Usually doesn't AV use Aero spell when doing Chainspell?

[Therin]

The only interesting thing that came out of the SE video and the following tests is that sometimes AV "uses" a two-hour, and other times he "readies" a two-hour, yet we don't know anything about what that means.

[Avanarius]

The only interesting thing that came out of the SE video and the following tests is that sometimes AV "uses" a two-hour, and other times he "readies" a two-hour, yet we don't know anything about what that means.

I've honestly seen weirder random things come out of the chat log that were entirely meaningless then this.

It's probably a random glitch where as one of his 2 hours is associated with his TP

[SchuldigGER]

The only interesting thing that came out of the SE video and the following tests is that sometimes AV "uses" a two-hour, and other times he "readies" a two-hour, yet we don't know anything about what that means.

This probably has been tested and im being laughed at but i dont remember it...
If everyones Twohour in Alliance is down, does AV still "uses" and "readies" two-hours or just one of it ?
because thats the only thing i could imagen the videos trys to tell us...

[CptModer]

Meh SE just likes to fuck with everyone's heads. The videos could have been a little more clear as to what they were trying to show, instead ppl are still throwing out the same ideas they were 2 years ago... Not cool!

[#686578]

The only interesting thing that came out of the SE video and the following tests is that sometimes AV "uses" a two-hour, and other times he "readies" a two-hour, yet we don't know anything about what that means.

This probably has been tested and im being laughed at but i dont remember it...
If everyones Twohour in Alliance is down, does AV still "uses" and "readies" two-hours or just one of it ?
because thats the only thing i could imagen the videos trys to tell us...

Download Firefox.

[Phraust]

Hate to post...

If the first hint was breaking AV's regen via Same day/Nuke hint, perhaps other things were removed this way as well. If AV uses Benediction for less HP, perhaps there was enough stray damage on the element corosponding to that day to perhaps not only remove regen, but "HP Boost". Maybe you need to just drag the fight on and nuke away all the job abilities and traits of all the Jobs AV is: Whm Bene, Auto-regen, etc... However the cryptic Bullshit with the 2hours doesn't really lend anything to that theory, maybe it's a means to select the abilities you want removed? Maybe a means to do damage to those abilities?

Some minor observations though, They straght tank it JoL, I thought that was kinda wierd. And the Brd/Whm pulls hate on every Ru'Phuabo and trains them through the Blms to be nuked, from what I seen it's kinda hard to get hate on those sharks.

[Suterusu]

It's not hard to get hate, and I see no reason tanking JoL the retard way changes the AV fight.

[SHADOWMAGE]

Hate to post...

If the first hint was breaking AV's regen via Same day/Nuke hint, perhaps other things were removed this way as well. If AV uses Benediction for less HP, perhaps there was enough stray damage on the element corosponding to that day to perhaps not only remove regen, but "HP Boost". Maybe you need to just drag the fight on and nuke away all the job abilities and traits of all the Jobs AV is: Whm Bene, Auto-regen, etc... However the cryptic Bullshit with the 2hours doesn't really lend anything to that theory, maybe it's a means to select the abilities you want removed? Maybe a means to do damage to those abilities?

Some minor observations though, They straght tank it JoL, I thought that was kinda wierd. And the Brd/Whm pulls hate on every Ru'Phuabo and trains them through the Blms to be nuked, from what I seen it's kinda hard to get hate on those sharks.

I don't think how SE fought JoL will change anything. Its not werid to get hate on those sharks lol. Yes I do agree with you that it might have something to do with the regen, however how exactly do you suppose on removing his regen rate?