Bind - Does is build?

[evilpaul]

It seemed like Yovras build bind resistance last time I fought one.

[Mojo]

I've had a theory about Bind resistance although I haven't thoroughly tested it. The theory~

Most NMs do build a resistance to Bind, although it isn't necessarily a problem and often won't even be observable. Amikiri, for instance, will build a resistance to Bind in that each consecutive Bind will have a shorter duration. The resistance wears off over time, so if you space your Bind casts out to when they're only needed, you probably wouldn't ever observe the resistance. I've actually popped and fought Amikiri for the specific purpose of re-examining this, and it seems to be true. I believe Zipacna shares this type of resistance as I noticed a dramatic decrease in resists(both duration and flat out resists) when I altered my strategy to facilitate a longer kiting path on the ramp. That's all I can really say on the matter.

[Zoot]

Just from observation I agree with that, but also there are certain NM's where you can't really use anything else but bind - Faust being the main one really, and notice the resist build up quicker. Generally I switch over to gravity once I notice the duration on bind getting shorter, and use that until it starts to resist, and by the time it does bind seems to be back up to normal duration. But I do that out of the feel for it, not any noted observations.

[Tricen]

Bind is too random to really say the resistance is in duration.

[Zoot]

While I typically agree with that, having soloed quite a bit you can tell when bind wears off within three to four seconds, for consecutive casts, that it's resisting duration more than usual....and that it just so happens to do so every single time at a given point during a long solo fight is very unusual. For anyone that's soloed this way on a consistent basis, if they have experienced the same thing, then it becomes quite a phenomenon if it is indeed random. Also, this is the only time period where I've noticed flat out resists are more common as well.

But, as my post said, this is all observation and feel, not solid fact. For anything that takes that long to solo, my mind is usually more on the task at hand than it is on the actual mechanics behind what is going on, so I'm not counting the amount of bind casts before this starts to happen.

[Tsuko_Asura]

In what way is Bind random? It has resistance tiers, just like every other spell.

As far as I'm concerned, Bind is one of the most reliable spells in my arsenal, moreso because of the fact that you know immediately if its going to bite you in the ass or not.

[Tricen]

Random in duration? Bind has always seemed like it wears off when it wants too, unlike poison.

[Mojo]

I think what he's trying to say is that there are time intervals(tiers) that Bind will wear off at unless broken by damage. This is what it has always seemed like to me, although maybe I'm wrong and it's just placebo. Maybe I'll do some testing with the timestamp plugin tomorrow.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Well, its certainly nothing I've ever tested, but I find that with Bind, I get ~5 seconds out of it, or I get the full 30. I've never seen any middle ground with it. This is including things that are pretty random with its resistance, like Zip.

But again, this isn't something I've ever tested.

[Byrd]

I did an Uninvited Guests solo as rdm/nin doing the Bind/DoT method, towards the end I couldn't land a single bind. I was landing every single bind for decent duration for the first half of the fight. I have a pretty decent bind gear set, with 8 enfeebling, and 4 ice accuracy merits.

Having Bind get to the point where it lasts no more than a second or two is what's being referenced. You just got unlucky.

I've done this fight a number of times. Bind definitely builds resistance, at least in this fight. I normally duo the fight, so there is only one Mammet, but if we've got more than 2 people, I end up binding one Mammet. At the beginning of the fight, it lands for the full duration no problem. By the end of the fight, it still lands, but wears off almost instantly. If we've got more than 2 Mammets, I just plan on standard kiting the rest of the fight and try to come RDM/NIN.

Bugboy obviously does build resistance, as well. I don't think generic mobs build resistance to bind, but certainly some battlefield NM's do. I stress some because I've never seen Fe'e do it in Up in Arms.

EDIT: I find the typo in the title to be both amusing and irritating at the same time.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Bionic Bug. That one, without a doubt, builds resistance to Bind(and every other enfeeble).