LBC nerfing hypothesis.

[cdgreg]

Who cares about all this stuff anyway..The time it takes to kill the other mob vs the time saved doesn't add up..

I'm guessing theyre not looking at it as it saves 4 mins on LBC vs it takes 5 mins to kill the chariot. I assume theyre looking at it more like the longer LBC lives the more dangerous the fight is since there is more room for error. If you can kill him faster then theres less chance of a HM getting off and things going haywire.

[ringthree]

Who cares about all this stuff anyway..The time it takes to kill the other mob vs the time saved doesn't add up..

I'm guessing theyre not looking at it as it saves 4 mins on LBC vs it takes 5 mins to kill the chariot. I assume theyre looking at it more like the longer LBC lives the more dangerous the fight is since there is more room for error. If you can kill him faster then theres less chance of a HM getting off and things going haywire.

It's a little of both actually, and another factor tied in. Chariot is not only great for when you lose a gear and have to deal with Homing Missile but also is (for us) a beneficial time trade-off. Cd is also right though, the shorter the fight and the less MP the mages have to spend the less risk of losing.

[aurik]

I also want to know for the sake of knowing.

[Veli]

Who cares about all this stuff anyway..The time it takes to kill the other mob vs the time saved doesn't add up..

I'm guessing theyre not looking at it as it saves 4 mins on LBC vs it takes 5 mins to kill the chariot. I assume theyre looking at it more like the longer LBC lives the more dangerous the fight is since there is more room for error. If you can kill him faster then theres less chance of a HM getting off and things going haywire.

It's a little of both actually, and another factor tied in. Chariot is not only great for when you lose a gear and have to deal with Homing Missile but also is (for us) a beneficial time trade-off. Cd is also right though, the shorter the fight and the less MP the mages have to spend the less risk of losing.

I can understand if you don't kill 10/10 gears but if you do kill 10 gears it's almost impossible to wipe to LBC..I don't understand LBC + Danger unless you don't kill all gears but hey..Then again I let everyone melee bosses so they don't live long anyway and there's no danger..

[ringthree]

Who cares about all this stuff anyway..The time it takes to kill the other mob vs the time saved doesn't add up..

I'm guessing theyre not looking at it as it saves 4 mins on LBC vs it takes 5 mins to kill the chariot. I assume theyre looking at it more like the longer LBC lives the more dangerous the fight is since there is more room for error. If you can kill him faster then theres less chance of a HM getting off and things going haywire.

It's a little of both actually, and another factor tied in. Chariot is not only great for when you lose a gear and have to deal with Homing Missile but also is (for us) a beneficial time trade-off. Cd is also right though, the shorter the fight and the less MP the mages have to spend the less risk of losing.

I can understand if you don't kill 10/10 gears but if you do kill 10 gears it's almost impossible to wipe to LBC..I don't understand LBC + Danger unless you don't kill all gears but hey..Then again I let everyone melee bosses so they don't live long anyway and there's no danger..

Well, if you don't need to kill it then don't. I am more interested in just knowing the information and for saving a little time for 4th floor rampart.

[ringthree]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...t5-30-08-1.jpg

This was an LBC run tonight, didn't go exactly as planned, LOL. Anyway, 10/10 gears, EAST Archaic Chariot killed, and all triple gears killed. More detail tomorrow, but probably can use this as the baseline for WEST AC effects.

[Veli]

How long is the fight after you kill AC?

[ringthree]

How long is the fight after you kill AC?

With 7 people, no revitalizers, pretty well geared but nothing insane, after killing 10/10 and West AC we killed LBC in under 4 minutes.

[Wolfknight]

How long is the fight after you kill AC?

With 7 people, no revitalizers, pretty well geared but nothing insane, after killing 10/10 and West AC we killed LBC in under 4 minutes.

what jobs were the melee?

[Xanthu]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

[ringthree]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

No, you do not need to kill 10/10 to get it to work, if we have limited time or if a gear warps we kill the AC to better deal with an unnerfed HM.

[ringthree]

How long is the fight after you kill AC?

With 7 people, no revitalizers, pretty well geared but nothing insane, after killing 10/10 and West AC we killed LBC in under 4 minutes.

what jobs were the melee?

WAR, MNK, MNK

[Veli]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

[Shassira]

Oh please, not a "We kill LBC with one RDM and one gimp MNK in 2 minutes" thing again...

[Xanthu]

We're still newer to salvage on the whole. That was only our second overall boss-chariot kill.

[dyluck]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

try double that

[ringthree]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

try double that

Just ignore Veli, he is an universal idiot, do a search for his name and you will get a good laugh.

[Veli]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

try double that

Then again it goes down to what you jobs you use on mega boss and how you fight it.. Soul Voice + Hundred fist will get it down to like 60-70% first minute..I guess 10 minutes is the number with 2 people on LBC? So if you're going by 2 people i guess 10 minutes is right.. I melee all bosses with 5 people..

[chapstick]

Yeah, and that leaves 60-70% for 4 more minutes? I guess you average 3 or more revitalizers per boss.

[ringthree]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4011/232xe4.gif
But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

try double that

Then again it goes down to what you jobs you use on mega boss and how you fight it.. Soul Voice + Hundred fist will get it down to like 60-70% first minute..I guess 10 minutes is the number with 2 people on LBC? So if you're going by 2 people i guess 10 minutes is right.. I melee all bosses with 5 people..

LOL @ 5 melee on a chariot.