LBC nerfing hypothesis.

[Veli]

Ran LBC last night, and honestly I wish we had heard about 4-min-post-west-AC-kills before, because fuck it was obvious. Going from average 15 min kill to 7 was insane for us. I'm not totally ready to say
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But I'm saying it seems very very plausible. It felt that something was very much different. Quick random idea: AC kill alone nerf? Or do you need to kill the 10 warping gears in order for it to apply?

A parse was run, but it's incomplete since it was our main tank parsing, lots of things filtered. Still interested? Or do you want a same-group-onry baseline?

How in the hell does a LBC fight last 15 minutes? Average should be like 5 mins...

try double that

Then again it goes down to what you jobs you use on mega boss and how you fight it.. Soul Voice + Hundred fist will get it down to like 60-70% first minute..I guess 10 minutes is the number with 2 people on LBC? So if you're going by 2 people i guess 10 minutes is right.. I melee all bosses with 5 people..

LOL @ 5 melee on a chariot.

Whats wrong with that? Speeds up the kills.. Use to go 2 mnk only til we seen how easy it was with 5 melee..Whatever works for you, works for you..You can LOL all you want but we get things done.. Main party is usually MNK MNK MNK COR BRD RDM..Cor gets revits reset 2 hrs..during 2 hrs only mnks are in..
If you have less than 10 people per run i can understand but we usually have 9-11..

[Kaeko]

I think this universal statement applies:

There are multiple ways to do the same thing.

[ringthree]

I think this universal statement applies:

There are multiple ways to do the same thing.

Yes, but in those multiple ways there are bad ways and good ways. And if you give advice based on the bad ways then you are just hurting people, not helping.

[Neosutra]

How many healers do you have to maintain 5 melees on a chariot..

[Veli]

How many healers do you have to maintain 5 melees on a chariot..

Depends..Sometimes we go with just rdm whm brd (AR & SSR) to heal and on heavy nights (LBC &BC)2rdm 2 whm..It's easy with convert, benediction, ether,elixer, megalixer, mana boost, etc..It depends on the melee jobs also.. Usually was 3 mnk + rng, sam.. or just 2 sams.. With rdm hat, morrigans robe, refresh ring, sanction refresh, ballad,evokers roll, its easy to maintain mp.. MNK roll helped alot also.. I just think on a gimp LBC let everybody melee and see for yourself..

[ringthree]

How many healers do you have to maintain 5 melees on a chariot..

Depends..Sometimes we go with just rdm whm brd (AR & SSR) to heal and on heavy nights (LBC &BC)2rdm 2 whm..It's easy with convert, benediction, ether,elixer, megalixer, mana boost, etc..It depends on the melee jobs also.. Usually was 3 mnk + rng, sam.. or just 2 sams.. With rdm hat, morrigans robe, refresh ring, sanction refresh, ballad,evokers roll, its easy to maintain mp.. MNK roll helped alot also.. I just think on a gimp LBC let everybody melee and see for yourself..

Even if your circumstances fit you, I don't think your advice is generally that good for the majority of players.

[chapstick]

Agreed. Most groups these days focus on going with a solid group of 6 people, not 12.

[tymora]

Even for group of 6, with 10/10 gear nerf, can have all your melee in (thf included). That means 3 though
Just have thf run away <25% due to regain.

[Veli]

Agreed. Most groups these days focus on going with a solid group of 6 people, not 12.

Even when we go we 6..If you are a melee you are fighting the boss..I would think most groups go with 8-10..If you only go with 6 i guess thats cool.. more time to farm ramparts?..Sometimes we farm 2 ramparts to 60-50% then we do 4th floor rampart til 10 minutes is left..Kill LBC 5 minutes left..

[chapstick]

I don't remember ever saying that if you go with 6, melees are sitting out from fighting.

[ringthree]

Agreed. Most groups these days focus on going with a solid group of 6 people, not 12.

Even when we go we 6..If you are a melee you are fighting the boss..I would think most groups go with 8-10..If you only go with 6 i guess thats cool.. more time to farm ramparts?..Sometimes we farm 2 ramparts to 60-50% then we do 4th floor rampart til 10 minutes is left..Kill LBC 5 minutes left..

I will restate because you must have missed it in the last thread you said this, but leaving 5 minutes to kill LBC is not a very good suggestion.

[Veli]

Agreed. Most groups these days focus on going with a solid group of 6 people, not 12.

Even when we go we 6..If you are a melee you are fighting the boss..I would think most groups go with 8-10..If you only go with 6 i guess thats cool.. more time to farm ramparts?..Sometimes we farm 2 ramparts to 60-50% then we do 4th floor rampart til 10 minutes is left..Kill LBC 5 minutes left..

I will restate because you must have missed it in the last thread you said this, but leaving 5 minutes to kill LBC is not a very good suggestion.

I said farm rampart til 10 minutes left.. go up kill LBC, usually 4-5 minutes after you kill lbc..