Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots *contains spoilers*

[Norelco]

And yeah, Act 1 with the Frogs really sucks on the hardest difficulty levels (assuming you're not using any health packs). It wouldn't be so bad if Jonathan wasn't so goddamn keen on dying every single time (at least for me).

Yeah, I'm playing through again on BB (not BBE, should I even bother with just BB?) and Johnation has died twice on me. That's where I stopped last night.

[Tyche]

Meryl probably died the most on me, mostly my fault though. That stupid cunt always seems to step in front of me just as I'm firing off a fully charged solar round.

[archibaldcrane]

I'm almost done with Act 1 of BBE challenge - the frog chase wasn't too bad once I found a few clutch spots to drop sleeping gas mines... (almost ran out of tranq ammo though)

...although now I feel stupid - wut's the solar gun?

[Tyche]

You get it for collecting the 4 Beauty/beast and 1 frog doll. It shoots balls of light that KOs enemies. I've used 3 tranq darts in the first act.

[archibaldcrane]

Hmm...so I'm doing this on even extra super harder mode...

That's not good. I just killed the B+B crew the first time through - I take it if you just survive you get the dolls? What's the frog doll from?

[Rem]

You get the frog statue in act 1 from not killing any of them in the raid. Its available right after CS in the basement/parking garage.

Edit: Yea you get the dolls from using non lethal means to take out the B&Bs in their beast form.

[Exoduso]

It's easier to use non-lethal weapons on the B&Bs in beast form anyways, their bar goes down way faster.

[Norelco]

btw, how did people know the parameters of the BB emblem run? does it say somewhere in teh game?

[Kaylia]

btw, how did people know the parameters of the BB emblem run? does it say somewhere in teh game?

I think it say the prerequisite when you put the cursor over an emblem you don't have

[BRP]

Sleeping Mines helped a lot for the palace.

[Norelco]

Don't understand this...but I went through all of Act 1 using nothing but darts and a few laughing darts...and it still says I killed 5 people. How is this possible? Can you over-tranq someone and kill them?

[Tyche]

Did you knife anyone? Throw any grenandes? Jump on a Turret gun? Maybe you just missed it and forgot...

[Norelco]

Did you knife anyone? Throw any grenandes? Jump on a Turret gun? Maybe you just missed it and forgot...

Threw a few stun grenades, CQC'd with the knife equipped, but only knocked them out, did not slit throat.

Ah...I think I know what it was...I used that PMC ground launcher to take out that armored vehicle and I think a few PMCs were standing in the vicinity. Damn.

BTW...noticed something cool. You can get the battery on the Nomad on more than one playthrough...I'm up to 3 now so the Solid Eye lasts a little longer each time.

[layoneil]

Ah...I think I know what it was...I used that PMC ground launcher to take out that armored vehicle and I think a few PMCs were standing in the vicinity. Damn.

BTW...noticed something cool. You can get the battery on the Nomad on more than one playthrough...I'm up to 3 now so the Solid Eye lasts a little longer each time.

there are PMCs inside armored vehicles, you can't blow those up.

and you can get 1 battery in each briefing except for 5, you should have 5 after the first playthrough, don't know if that's the max or not.

[Kazen]

there are PMCs inside armored vehicles, you can't blow those up.

and you can get 1 battery in each briefing except for 5, you should have 5 after the first playthrough, don't know if that's the max or not.

Caps out at 6 I believe

[Norelco]

there are PMCs inside armored vehicles, you can't blow those up.

and you can get 1 battery in each briefing except for 5, you should have 5 after the first playthrough, don't know if that's the max or not.

wtf? 1 in each briefing? i must have been completely careless in my first playthrough

[Krandor]

It's easier to use non-lethal weapons on the B&Bs in beast form anyways, their bar goes down way faster.

I think it varies a bit boss to boss, but the point is really that you have to conserve your non lethal ammunition, though idk, I guess you can always use the Solar Gun to save ammo and restock your supplies.

The M82A2 is an absolute beast for Raven/Wolf/Mantis, and I think the Rail Gun would work really well on the Octopus fight since you'd have time to charge it whenever she's hiding, just switch over to a shotgun when she's moving around

[Nuriko]

Don't understand this...but I went through all of Act 1 using nothing but darts and a few laughing darts...and it still says I killed 5 people. How is this possible? Can you over-tranq someone and kill them?

If you knock a frog off from hanging on a ledge somewhere and she falls to her death, it counts as a kill I think.

[Krandor]

If you knock a frog off from hanging on a ledge somewhere and she falls to her death, it counts as a kill I think.

It doesn't actually, despite what all logic should say. I "killed" quite a few Frogs in Advent Palace and also prior to the Screaming Mantis fight like this, but still walked out with a no kill playthrough.

[Elcura]

If you knock a frog off from hanging on a ledge somewhere and she falls to her death, it counts as a kill I think.

Could be the laughing bullets that caused the kill count. If someone is shot as a result it might count as a kill?