Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots *contains spoilers*

[Xanthe]

Yeah, saving after every single checkpoint/cutscene/codec call is the only way to go. Just sucks that it was right at the very beginning of the game. I started over and got past the Drebin sequence in 21 minutes and called it a night.

On another note, I can confirm that sleeping/solaring FROGs that are clinging to walls and ceilings doesn't count as a kill. Did a ton of that during the palace sequence and still came up 0.

With that said: GOOOOO! SUNLIGHT!!

[BRP]

I seem to permanently have...um...Water Bear? (wtf is a water bear) It's for staying alive a lot - I'm usually sniping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrada

niggas just don't die

[Stiker]

Thinking about doing my chicken run for shits and giggles before I pain myself with the task of going for Big Boss title. One question on this though. Do kills/item use carry over on every continue or do they reset when you die?

I'm hoping they stack so I can be a retard in the first couple of acts to get the kill/item use/continue count racked up without too much on an issue.

[Rem]

Only certain things carry over in your +games. Items/weapons and the amount of flashbacks you've viewed by pressing the "X" button. Thats all I can think of off the top of my head while at work, Kills(knife and headshot count also)/CQC moves used get reset and I'm not sure about items used and continues since I didn't use any on my first play and just hit exit when I died.

[archibaldcrane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrada
niggas just don't die

Jesus that's obscure...

[recuperi]

Only certain things carry over in your +games. Items/weapons and the amount of flashbacks you've viewed by pressing the "X" button. Thats all I can think of off the top of my head while at work, Kills(knife and headshot count also)/CQC moves used get reset and I'm not sure about items used and continues since I didn't use any on my first play and just hit exit when I died.

basically everything but combat related stuff and continues/alerts gets carried over. If you start the next game on a higher difficulty though, your ammo gets adjusted down to the max you can have for that difficulty (yay 800+ tranq darts turning into 50)

[Xanthe]

I think Stiker meant if using a continue reverts your kill count, etc when you die. The answer to that is yes. Your continue brings you back to the last checkpoint which is your last zone change, cutscene, or codec call. Any progress between that point and where you died is lost. My advice is to take care of everything else and hold off on your continues until the Act V fight with Screaming Mantis. During the first phase with the FROGs you can shoot Meryl for an instant game over making for quick continues and 0 progress lost. Technically you can do this for any portion that requires NPCs to live, but I found this to be the most convenient point. Of course that was after I suicided 47 times at the pits before Vamp in Act IV, which took considerably longer.

[recuperi]

or he can always do it on the palace fight - so much sooner to get it out of the way lol

[Xanthe]

I thought of that too, but you've got that 10-15 second unskippable cinematic on every load.

[Stiker]

I think Stiker meant if using a continue reverts your kill count, etc when you die. The answer to that is yes. Your continue brings you back to the last checkpoint which is your last zone change, cutscene, or codec call. Any progress between that point and where you died is lost. My advice is to take care of everything else and hold off on your continues until the Act V fight with Screaming Mantis. During the first phase with the FROGs you can shoot Meryl for an instant game over making for quick continues and 0 progress lost. Technically you can do this for any portion that requires NPCs to live, but I found this to be the most convenient point. Of course that was after I suicided 47 times at the pits before Vamp in Act IV, which took considerably longer.

This is what I was looking for thanks! I figured that was the case, if it wasn't, I was going to have a really funny play through.

I think I may just hang around a warzone that is close to a zone line in the first couple acts. Blow a bunch of crap up (or snipe like crazy), zone, go suicidal, repeat. That way I can possibly farm some DP while I'm at it.

[Xanthe]

I should clarify that only automatic codec calls count as checkpoints. If you manually make a call it doesn't set a new checkpoint.

[Cydewinder]

More info on tomorrows MGO update, copy+pasted from GameFaqs so not sure if it's completely true.

there will be massive changes!

for all players!not only the expansion ones:


Für alle Spieler:


- Rewardshop opens
- Clanrooms
you can create clan rooms for your clan


- SOP changes
own traps will be shown to all of your team via sop


- new skills
2 new skills
box move which lets you move faster when youre in a box
quick recovery which let your teammates recover faster


-weapon changes
for M870 is a scope available
capacity of p90 got less from 300 to 250
Autoaim of pistols got less
Autoaim of assaults got less.
Autoaim of shotguns got better.
Costs of MK17 from 3000DP to 2500DP .
Costs of XM8' from 4000DP to 3500DP .
Costs of G3A3's from 4000DP to 5000DP
Costs of M14 EBR's freom 750DP to 3000DP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Costs of M870 from 1000DP to 750DP.
SLUG from 5000DP to 2000DP .
V.RING from 3000DP to 2000DP .
E.LOCATER from 750DP to 1500DP .
Change of the range of the stunknife(less)?


Mailbox can now have 32 instead of 16


results screen changed


you can setup the volume of the background music

omg nice job from konami!

I'm actually surprised to see they've actually been listening to their community, hoping this shit is for real, lol.

[BRP]

I want a "No Headshots" mode to go along with "Headshots" only.

[Torn]

A scope for a shotgun? O_o I dunno if thats real. lol

[Stiker]

A scope for a shotgun? O_o I dunno if thats real. lol

IIRC, the customizable shotgun in the game would let you put either a laser sight or scope on it. So this could be valid.

[recuperi]

thank god they're making the M14EBR over 1000 DP. That gun was just way too overpowered to cost less than the cheapest assault rifle. I think that's the gun I used to cap out my sniping though

[Cydewinder]

http://www.konami.jp/mgo/de/hd/index.php
This the German site it was translated from, so yeah it's legit.

[archibaldcrane]

I'm kind of glad they are upping the M14 also - even though that's what I'd use in Drebin rounds until I had enough points to use the Bullpup sniper rifle (god I love that thing), I was never really satisfied with it - it just seemed...really inaccurate and less powerful as oppposed to the single-shot cheap sniper rifle.

Shorter range on Stun knife makes me happy too - I hated being way far away and still getting dropped by a CQC'er.

[BRP]

Over-the-shoulder SVD is still pretty ridiculous. Upping drebin points as a nerf is nice, but it's really going to much for most gameplay since people hardly use it for most modes.

[archibaldcrane]

Yeah, I'm pretty good at over-the-shoulder SVD when I have to - I feel like every bullet does good damage and I can drop M14 people quickly if they don't get a headshot in. I feel like I go for less headshots than I should maybe? Or does the auto-rifle crowd just get lucky a lot?

I do prefer Drebin point matches though. Dying is exciting when I see I have 7k+ for my sweet sweet sniper rifle.