D&D 4th Edition Leaked

[Kaylia]

Yes, you have to break away(there's still a full withdrawl action equivalent) and then do a full run(i.e. not your standard 6ish squares)

Where is the "full withdrawl"? I keep missing it or something...

And run is only +2 square, grant attack of opportunity, grant combat advantage and give -5 to every rolls. If you use an action + run, people will be able to catch up on you next round

[Darus Grey]

Where is the "full withdrawl"? I keep missing it or something...

And run is only +2 square, grant attack of opportunity, grant combat advantage and give -5 to every rolls. If you use an action + run, people will be able to catch up on you next round

Yeah my mistake, I was reading over my copy that came in last night and full with-drawl was removed from print edition(either intentionally or mistakenly).

The only way to escape is to take two run actions in a round, provoking all applicable AOOs.

That or teleport in some fashion.

[Kaylia]

Where is the "full withdrawl"? I keep missing it or something...

And run is only +2 square, grant attack of opportunity, grant combat advantage and give -5 to every rolls. If you use an action + run, people will be able to catch up on you next round

Yeah my mistake, I was reading over my copy that came in last night and full with-drawl was removed from print edition(either intentionally or mistakenly).

The only way to escape is to take two run actions in a round, provoking all applicable AOOs.

That or teleport in some fashion.

I'm using the pdf too D:

Taking AOOs isnt too bad. As long you plan it a few run ahead, you can escape fine. My problem was fighter's ability to cancel your movement if he hit you on that attack of opportunity. I can get around it with ability in certain case, but I would have liked something more reliable.

[Darus Grey]

I'm using the pdf too D:

I was referring to a tester copy, as I said above I've been playing 4th ed for awhile now.

Still sorry I was wrong though ;0 Lack of a withdrawl sucks.

[Kaylia]

I'm using the pdf too D:

I was referring to a tester copy, as I said above I've been playing 4th ed for awhile now.

Still sorry I was wrong though ;0 Lack of a withdrawl sucks.

Oh, thought you meant the copy that was circulating for a few days on the web.

I'm kinda surprised there is none. Would only make sense to use your action equivalent move to step back, and your move to run away.

[BRP]

Who would be interested in a pbp(play by post) 4e game? It will be slow and long as I mentioned previously. I will be looking for up to date tools to express the complicated minature actions online.


On a completely unrelated note, 4e is very videogame-like meaning it might actually work well for my crazy and impossible idea to create a FFXI DnD varient. Biggest problems I could see(outside of the obvious loads of work) is the way classes are set up to completely unique. This is kind of an issue when making a class for all 20 jobs(I could simple combine a few, but that might soil some of the flavor of certain jobs). I've actually grown to like how 4e handles monsters and makes want to complete the project just to see a Blue Mage in action.

EDIT: Also, fan-made errata for core books

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=229723

[Bagel]

Just played my first 4e session. I was a Dragonborn Fighter, and booooooooy was it satisfying to run up to a clump of goblins, breathe acid to take out four of them and then Cleave two more, getting rid of half the encounter on the first round. I really like that combat felt like you had more choices, instead of attack attack attack attack attack attack. The best stuff still happens when you make up rules on the fly and barely make your roll, e.g. throwing the party's cleric across the moat.

[Maguspk]

Who would be interested in a pbp(play by post) 4e game? It will be slow and long as I mentioned previously. I will be looking for up to date tools to express the complicated minature actions online.


On a completely unrelated note, 4e is very videogame-like meaning it might actually work well for my crazy and impossible idea to create a FFXI DnD varient. Biggest problems I could see(outside of the obvious loads of work) is the way classes are set up to completely unique. This is kind of an issue when making a class for all 20 jobs(I could simple combine a few, but that might soil some of the flavor of certain jobs). I've actually grown to like how 4e handles monsters and makes want to complete the project just to see a Blue Mage in action.

EDIT: Also, fan-made errata for core books

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=229723

Count me in. Keep me updated with PMs or something, I wanted to give this a shot at least once because it sounds fun.

[Chreman]

Once I get to reading through it, I'll play a game of 4th edition with ya BRP. Think of it as payback for the time you tagged along on some of my Baal runs back in the day

[BRP]

Artificer is coming out with the next dragon(which should still be free by then). Totally waiting until that happens.

I already see myself removing Dragonborn and replacing them with a "dragon-touched" type race, like tiefling. Because really... Dragonborn in 3e was just playing a half-dragon without the level penalty. Instead they'll be something more human-like, yet very much the same.

I don't like Eladrin, so I will probably give them the boot too.

Going to get Gnomes, Warforged, Aasimar, and maybe Hobgoblin/Kobold/Goblin/something as playable races. Already liking the idea of Gnomes Artificers and Warforged living together in a nation with a relationship of Tarutaru and Mithra... if the Tarutaru had built the Mithra.

That + some more fixes and house rules. Will be ready in a month!

[Bagel]

Eladrin are cool if you want to RP a total douche.
Also, fuck yeah teleportation!

[BRP]

Thats invading on Elf territory! They pretty much are elves though and their teleport powers is why I dislike them the most. If someone can really convince me if they want to be one, I'll reconsider.

[Maguspk]

Wait you're not going to include some teleporting guys? I want to be able to fucking teleport, that's badass. What should I be reading to prep for this so that I'm ready a little less than a month from now?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Wow BRP, you have barely played it and you already know what's overpowered and "too fun"?

I'm impressed.

[BRP]

More like teleporting around at level 1. Pretty sure there is a spell like it not too high up. If you really want to be one, I'll reconsider it.

Hmmm, well, if you want to be a gnome or hobgoblin read the back(and their entries) of the MM. Warforged you can do the same, but also you should look at this Dragon article: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080606b

I think you might need to sign up for DDI, which is free at the moment. You just need to make a forum account. I'll be saving all these files so that they are free to have when they stop being so.

Other than that, read a lot of your PHB and get a good understanding of the game's rules.

One last thing: I'm personally renaming Ranger into Scout, because that's what they are in this edition.

Wow BRP, you have barely played it and you already know what's overpowered and "too fun"?

I didn't say anything was too fun or overpowered, huh?


EDIT: Thinking now, if anyone wants to be a Dragonborn, that could work too. But instead of being some race, you will be an actual half-dragon.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Wait, you weren't removing them because of perceived overpoweredness? What?

The teleportation is fine because it's self only, line of sight only, and only once per encounter. It is useful and fun for sure, but it's also only 5 spaces, so with a single move, most creatures can just walk over and smack the eladrin.

Ya know what's overpowered? Elven accuracy. And human extra feats.

btw I have one question: How often can encounter powers be used outside battle, because some seem like they have practical purposes.

[BRP]

Most of my changes are based on flavor. Personally I find Eladrin's concept weak and I hate the idea of them just being able to teleport like that. I could just say it isn't a teleport, but rather something sneaky like Kobolds, but then I would still not like anything else about them. I don't feel like explaining why they're lame and I'm even flexible enough to allow some Eladrin if someone really wants to be one. So I don't see the problem.

I'm not completely sure, I'll have to double check. Anyway, I think you need to have a short rest afterwards or you don't gain it back for the next battle. Take that with a grain of salt.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Can we just keep it simple and not have all these name changes >_> I mean ranger into scout seems kind of silly to me and complicates things.

[Bagel]

The session I played had a dragonborn, elf and elfdarin. Dragon Breath got used first round 5/6 encounters and second round on the other one. I think elven accuracy was used twice and the other guy never teleported. To be fair though, we were defending a city, so for some of the encounters the wizard was up on a wall and didn't have much cause to move at all.

[Maguspk]

So I just download a rule book and try and learn as much about the basics as I can? What are you changing/using so I don't learn the wrong stuff. Like, this is going to be totally 4th edition right? I'll probably just start reading there and not bother with other handbooks or whatever, looking for the torrent now. Can I also go ahead and start making a character to kind of get involved as I read too or is that going to be handled on day 1?