Most inept movie director...

[Wintermute]

god i hate m night shamalama. i was forced to vote for him over the other two because every time he releases a movie it gets so much hype where as the other two bring little to no expectations.

[spoiler:2e1lo5pp]last night i read the spoiler for the happening, i dare any of you to read it and keep a straight face. this guy's movies are such crap. da spoilers[/spoiler:2e1lo5pp]

i read the spoiler.... kept a straight face, well i lied i had to sigh and /facepalm when i read the whining... =/ i mean, seriously? This is a good idea i dont see how its not..

now i havent seen many of Shamalamadingdong's movies but i'll have to say i actually liked signs... I mean if you were an alien race and probably NEVER saw water EVER you would land on earth and have no idea wtf is going on... just like in the movie reminds me of War of the Worlds

but yeha i kinda want to watch the rest of his movies... i like his twists (ive read most of them btw)

Signs was great up until you actually see the alien. All that suspense built up, and then it's all downhill from there.

Most non-threatening alien evar.

[Jotaru]

Are you blind? A link has already been posted on this page.

I guess so, I read through the spoiler tags and didn't notice the link at the end of it.

[spoiler:16kluzq3]Way to be a dbag about it though! [/spoiler:16kluzq3]

[Lordshin]

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Signs was great up until you actually see the alien. All that suspense built up, and then it's all downhill from there.

Most non-threatening alien evar.

Meh that's the problem, i dont think the aliens were supposed to be "threatening" at all.. lol
"What a twist!" the aliens are dumb and look puny!

anyway... the scene where you first see the alien actually had me kinda scared it was done very realistically... and i'd imagine that's how it would be in real life...

bu yeah just saw the trailer of the happening where the guy lays down in front of his lawnmower D: i NEED to see what happens xD

[Melchiah]

M. Night's suck is partly his fault, and partly YOUR fault; YOU being the moviegoer who walks in the door with the wrong expectation. The guy has really good ideas, if you argue this point you are either an elitist cocksucker like Roger Ebert who thinks every movie should be born of missionary onry sex between Oscar Schindler and that red haired bitch from Titanic or you get whooshed a lot. His execution is not always the greatest, and I think he really should get some consultation on his writing.

He tries to give you something different from what you get everywhere else. If you go see a Spielberg movie, you expect to see an epic drama. If you see a Scorsese movie, you expect to see intense character development. If you watch a Kubrick film, you expect to see something very thought-provoking. If you go see a Micheal Bay movie, you expect to leave the theater wanting to blow shit up and kick someone's ass. Stop going into M. Night movies with the wrong expectation, and you might find that they don't suck as bad as you keep telling yourself they do.

The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and The Village are all good films. The Village kind of grows on me; I didn't like it at first until I realized I was looking at it the wrong way. Signs pretty much sucked, I'll admit. I like how at the end of The Village you are told the monsters are farce, but then the scene in the woods happens and you aren't so sure anymore. I thought that was a really cool retwist/climax.

In closing, you should know by now what to expect from an M. Night movie, and that is being presented with a situation involving something without a clear explanation, multiple scenarios that could be the answer, and then a resolution at the end. Barring Signs, he has always had A-list talent in his films, and they have never sucked. The dialogue he writes is pretty good, he just needs to stop fapping over himself and the reviews from The Sixth Sense as someone mentioned earlier and get some consultation on his plot development and execution.

What a terrible fucking argument. It's correct, but it's fucking terrible. The interaction between the subject and object is always different. The movie itself is an object, it isn't entertaining or boring in and of itself, the interaction that YOU make with it is what makes it boring. If it was a silly/stupid/terrible movie, then every subject (read person) that interacts (watches the film) will think it's silly/stupid/terrible. An art object is exactly that, an art object up for interpretation that requires an interaction. It is applied to every movie, film, art, book, whatever. M. Night Shayamwhatever isn't any different. A lot of subjects (people) come out with a shitty interaction with the object (his films).

In conclusion, Madame Bovary isn't a boring novel, you make it boring. No shit! What a brilliant insightful statement you have there!

Edit: I really sound like a pompous asshole there. Sorry for that. It's just the argument is so generic. It's correct, but it's correct for everything that everyone dislikes. Eg, the book isn't boring, you make it boring, the movie isn't bad, you make it bad...it's always about interactions. What you said is obvious, what others are trying to say is why the interaction between subject and object is a bad one, and you are basically saying "change yourself and it'll be good". It would be the equivalent of me saying "Star trek is a terrible show, and you telling me to turn myself into a tekkie, and look at it through that pair of glasses". Sure, that would work, but...do you see the problem here?

Eh... I don't really think we are on the same page here. A shitty movie is a shitty movie, regardless of who liked it and who didn't. Signs was a shitty movie. The Hulk movie was a shitty movie. But everything M. Night does is not necessarily shitty in that regard. It isn't so much "The book isn't boring, you make it boring" as it is "The book isn't shitty, you have the wrong expectation of the book." One cannot make a qualitative statement based on personal preference, especially when it comes to art. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is garbage. Signs had a hokey ending, and after that one people like to automatically make the assumption that any ending to any further M. Night movie will be equally as hokey, and I really don't think that is the case.

Like I said, the guy has good ideas and his presentation is usually pretty immersive. I just think he needs man up and admit he could use a little help on putting things together for a finished product.

Edit: For example, The Village used a *lot* of symbolism, and some of the symbols had multiple meanings. I like that M. Night tries to give you a product that makes you think, as opposed to someone like Joel Shumacher who gives you fagged out Batman with bright colors and happiness and flowers.

[Venture]

Actually liked The Village; especially in how he constantly mimicked the color-coding scare system that America uses for terrorism threats to govern the village. It reeked of a social commentary of post-9/11 paranoia and isolationism at times.

I think Night is plagued by too much commentary and distracting from the base plot of the movie. If he cut the fluff out, he could tighten up his movies more and add to the scare and thoughtful impact of what the movie is about-rather then meander about for a half-hour on some piece that isn't really necessary to provide backdrop while the audience's mind wanders on about what just happened beforehand, and where the movie is going. Too much time spent outside of the immersion.

[BRP]

Shamamlama could make a movie where he did nothing but rub his hands together then blurt out "TWEEST" every two mintues for hour and thirty minutes and it would still be better than what Uwe Boll can do.

[Shade]

I haven't seen Signs or The Village, and The Happening does sound pretty lame... but I really liked Unbreakable and Lady in The Water.
(Though I think its kind of funny that M. Night cast himself as the writer whose work will change the world, but only if he dies)
I think I liked both of those movies because they told archetypal stories in kind of a... sideways fashion. I'm so tired of the predictable rehashed genericness that most of hollywood is stuck making over and over again.

Speaking of which... I can't believe anyone would vote for someone besides Uwe Boll!

[Wintermute]

Given Uwe Boll's habit of challenging other directors to Boxing matches I think he's trying to piss everyone off until he can host a Battle Royale which he will then record.

It will be his greatest Film.

Which wouldn't be a hard achievement.

[Brill Weave]

Uwe Boll needs loaded into a cannon and shot into the sun.

[Day]

Sorry to bump this, but I just saw The Village for the first time today, and I thought it was excellent. After reading this thread I was expecting it to be garbage, but I don't really think so. I saw a lot of hate for that movie in here, and something about ruining it halfway through or something? I'm not sure I follow... please clarify why everyone seems to dislike this film so much.

[Isiolia]

Sorry, but if you really think it can't get worse than M. Nights movies...you haven't watched a lot of movies >_>

IMO, the biggest problem he has is that he's stuck on making things with a certain formula. The Sixth Sense worked so well because you didn't walk into it knowing there was a twist because of his name in the credits.


Boll's movies, on the other hand, suck. I've seen several, and they're just plain bad. Unless you're trying to make fun of them.

A few years ago my friends and I would have a weekly Bad Movie Night, wherein we would attempt to fill in the gap left by MST3k after it ended (best. show. ever.)
One of my friends started doing an Uwe Boll impression right about the end about how Americans were all idiots, and that's why they didn't get this masterful work of art he'd made, etc.

We turned on the commentary...and that was basically what he said at that point too >_>

[Melchiah]

Sorry to bump this, but I just saw The Village for the first time today, and I thought it was excellent. After reading this thread I was expecting it to be garbage, but I don't really think so. I saw a lot of hate for that movie in here, and something about ruining it halfway through or something? I'm not sure I follow... please clarify why everyone seems to dislike this film so much.

I shall try. The biggest problem with The Village is the Deus Ex Machina at the end. Deus Ex Machina is a shitty method to end a story, period. Regardless of the quality of the Deus Ex, it's just a cop out. The shit at the very end of The Village wasn't even decent Deus Ex, it was like he was sitting on the almost finished script and wrote that last little bit hung over. To me, it was awesome even through the part with Ivy meeting the creature in the woods. The part after that should have gotten a rewrite before production. The symbolism, the tension and the atmosphere were all excellently done. I think a lot of people just don't get the symbolism, because they watch too many Micheal Bay movies where it's just good guys and bad guys and explosions and hot chicks and awesome. Easy to follow, fun movies. Shamallama movies are not going to be so much fun, and they make you think a little bit.

[Wintermute]

I think a lot of people just don't get the symbolism, because they watch too many Micheal Bay movies where it's just good guys and bad guys and explosions and hot chicks and awesome. Easy to follow, fun movies. Shamallama movies are not going to be so much fun, and they make you think a little bit.

Transformers review?

[Melchiah]

I think a lot of people just don't get the symbolism, because they watch too many Micheal Bay movies where it's just good guys and bad guys and explosions and Megan Fox and awesome. Easy to follow, fun movies. Shamallama movies are not going to be so much fun, and they make you think a little bit.

Transformers review?

It is now.

[Cheerios]

Make a thread about the worst Final Fantasy, and I bet 7 would win because it's also popular to hate

[Day]

I see Melchiah, I guess that makes sense, kind of like the "It was just a dream" ending. Personally I kind of liked the ending twist, it didn't feel too out of place or lame to me, but from reading some reviews and such I can see others thought it was.

I did find one interesting thing on the Wiki about the Village. It seems some childrens book writers feel that he stole the plot from their book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Ou ... 28novel%29 Pretty damn close haha...

[Melchiah]

Really, I think he just twisted The Village too many times. The are the creatures real/are they not real/wait wut was good enough.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I just watched Dungeon Siege and it was roflicious. The dialogue is just as bad as you'd expect, except this time with fantasy cliches. The battles make no sense with things like ninjas shoot arrows with bells attached before doing synchronized jumping, catapults used in a forest battles, the main character seeming like a shaolin master despite only ever having farmed. Then there is Ray Liotta being as gay as Liberace. The plot twist you guess from the first 2 minutes of the movie (the main character is parentless, the king is old, his nephew is a giant douche, figure it out.)

Brilliant