Best Solo Job

[BerenTebogo]

Rapido doesn't take 2 hours.. poison2 alone kills it in less time than that. Poison/the 3 blm DoTs is 30 min or so, poison only is a bit over an hour, haven't tried with dagger because it's hard to claim recently and before I was worried I wouldn't have enough dmg mitigation to keep utsu/stoneskin always up so i stuck with idling in terra's.

Edit: The best solo job for anything at all hard is RDM hands down, though NIN can solo a lot more than people give it credit for(Voluptuous Vivian, Fenrir, Ancient Goobbue, Steam Cleaner come to mind).

I'd like to see where you got the ancient goobbue solo'd by NIN info from, I've been trying for a few weeks now 1v1 as NIN/DNC, and lowest I've gotten it is 17%. I know exactly where I need to tweak to kill it but I seriously struggle even with relic and near perfect EVA gears.

I'm not saying it hasn't been done, it's just not something I'd casually toss out that NIN can solo.

Edit: I'm also talking 100% solo, no npc, nothing, so that may be a small reason.

[Thorny]

NPC/meds as nin/thf on my old char, perfect eva build sans koga pants+1(not that perfect eva build is hard, being mostly AH gear). I'm sure I could do it /dnc if I got around to leveling parry again and fixing up the terrible combat merits on this char(see sig lol).

[BerenTebogo]

NPC/meds as nin/thf on my old char, perfect eva build sans koga pants+1(not that perfect eva build is hard, being mostly AH gear). I'm sure I could do it /dnc if I got around to leveling parry again and fixing up the terrible combat merits on this char(see sig lol).

Ah yeah, I'm sure I could do it with NPC, trying to do it /dnc within the span of 17:00-7:00 kiting with NIN feet +1, so requires me to deal more damage than I'm currently dealing, last attempt was 17% when it dinged 7:00.

[Thorny]

Mine went a little bit into daytime, but hundred fists isn't necessarily death if you can't kite as long as you don't have bad luck. Sort of have to use jubaku once it hits daytime though, which is pretty bleh.

[BerenTebogo]

Mine went a little bit into daytime, but hundred fists isn't necessarily death if you can't kite as long as you don't have bad luck. Sort of have to use jubaku once it hits daytime though, which is pretty bleh.

Completely de-railing, but that's actually one of the biggest problems I have, Kikoku para overwrites jubaku every time, and isn't really as potent , or at least doesn't seem it when it comes time for 100fist, and there's nothing I can do about it til it wears off, kinda really bites me in the ass, but I'm working on it, been my solo focus since I finally did a 2 hour 25 minute amikiri solo, which really, really sucked (focusing for that long, fight is pretty straightforward)

[Thorny]

Do you ever use Blade: Retsu for solo? Just curious, I never did before but since I don't have most of my old gear back yet I've been playing with it and potency seems far higher than jubaku. As shitty as the duration is, for any long fight survivability > damage and it's working pretty nicely for me.

Edit: Forgot metsu gives subtle blow(iirc?), so probably a dumb question.

[BerenTebogo]

I did with Senji at times, now I just pretty much ride Metsu full time for capped subtle blow (+50ish) since the hardest things about most mobs (aside from AG) are the TP moves, especially the scorpions and their fucking breaths + earth pounder.

[Plow]

RDM > SMN


Everything else is behind them, and situational.

[Thorny]

SMN... wut? Sure, you can solo normal run speed things that don't draw in with carbuncle while doing less dmg/time than RDM DoTs(assuming you don't fuck up and get on hate list).. but beyond that, what can SMN solo? PLD/jobwithbio could solo any of those mobs, it doesn't really make it the best solo job =|

[Plow]

SMN... wut? Sure, you can solo normal run speed things that don't draw in with carbuncle while doing less dmg/time than RDM DoTs(assuming you don't fuck up and get on hate list).. but beyond that, what can SMN solo? PLD/jobwithbio could solo any of those mobs, it doesn't really make it the best solo job =|

Biast is the best example, but really pretty much anything where there's room that doesn't 1-shot carby. And it doesn't even require that much room if you're good, charby for example is real easy.


edit: also, when it comes to mobs close to your level, smn is absolutely ridiculous

[Thorny]

My comment stands, a PLD/BLM could solo Biast with bio over a long period of time, as could a DRK or BLM or any other job with movement speed and DoT @_@ Charybdis is a bit harder, though I have yet to see a smn solo it and somewhat doubt it could be done without anyone clearing adds. What's so special about being able to solo weak hitting normal movement speed mobs?

[Plow]

My comment stands, a PLD/BLM could solo Biast with bio over a long period of time, as could a DRK or BLM or any other job with movement speed and DoT @_@ Charybdis is a bit harder, though I have yet to see a smn solo it and somewhat doubt it could be done without anyone clearing adds. What's so special about being able to solo weak hitting normal movement speed mobs?

If biast lands one hit on pld/blm the fight is over.

Charby kills carby slowly enough to drag him up top very easily with just sneak.

It's also not just things like this, I soloed my first avatar at 67, try landing enough damage with any other class to kill an avatar in under 30 mins at that level while surviving. Basically, if it hits weakly enough that anything outside of an rdm has an even remote chance of soloing, summoner can do it unless it's utterly surrounded by magic aggro or something.

nin/dnc is competitive based on being able to fight in very confined quarters, but the fact that summoner can kite as well as anyone and in a heartbeat switch to massive damage bursts keeps them solidly close behind rdm


Basically I'll put it this way: everything that a summoner can do, there may be other classes outside rdm that can do. However, there is no other class outside rdm that can do everything smn can do.

[Thorny]

Biast hits for under 100 on my RDM in standing gear, even if terror goes off I have my doubts a pld kiting would die to it. My point is that summoner is utterly worthless on anything with enhanced movement speed, and anything without enhanced movement speed can be soloed by any job with cuisses or gaiters. Even a DRK could solo faster than SMN with a proper drk skill set for bio in addition to using dread spikes and face tanking when possible.

[Plow]

Biast hits for under 100 on my RDM in standing gear, even if terror goes off I have my doubts a pld kiting would die to it. My point is that summoner is utterly worthless on anything with enhanced movement speed, and anything without enhanced movement speed can be soloed by any job with cuisses or gaiters. Even a DRK could solo faster than SMN with a proper drk skill set for bio in addition to using dread spikes and face tanking when possible.

I really want to know what mob you think a drk is going to solo faster than a smn, other than freak souleater zerg stuff.


And how is smn utterly worthless on anything with enhanced movement speed? Anything that can't basically guarantee complete avoidance for an extended period or 100% success rate on bind/gravity is at a dramatically higher risk against anything dangerous to a summoner, the mob has to be killing carby fast enough that anything he gets on is going to die for movement speed to even remotely matter.

[Nirokun!]

I killed hurricane wyverns in ifrit's couldron on smn to try to get the skull for my little crown before giving up because of no drop. smn can certainly kill things with enhanced movement speed, you just run further away for the recast

quick edit:

smn can kill anything provided theres somewhere in the zone to pull it to--to kill it. i've read about smns soloing LoO (draw in), so draw-in doesnt stop smn, nor does +runspeed.

smn cannot kill a monster that:
-kills an avatar before reaching the next casting point
-has significant auto-regen
-is in a zone where there is no place to kite
-has domain, creating hate on recast/draw-in

Summoner is the best soloer because it is the cutest, hands-down :3

[Plow]

I killed hurricane wyverns in ifrit's couldron on smn to try to get the skull for my little crown before giving up because of no drop. smn can certainly kill things with enhanced movement speed, you just run further away for the recast

I'm really hoping he's referring more to things like Bune that hit ridiculously hard, when it comes to stuff close to our level smn is pretty much king of single kills, being capable of what mnk can do to imps on damn near anything low IT or below.

-is in a zone where there is no place to kite
-has domain, creating hate on recast/draw-in

And both of these have situational workarounds as well.

[Thorny]

You haven't given proof of charybdis solo, and NIN MNK THF PLD RDM BLM can all solo biast.. I'm sure other jobs can too. A good solo job compared to melee? Yea. The 2nd best solo job? No.

[Plow]

You haven't given proof of charybdis solo, and NIN MNK THF PLD RDM BLM can all solo biast.. I'm sure other jobs can too. A good solo job compared to melee? Yea. The 2nd best solo job? No.

I need to prove that I know how to cast sneak out of hate range? Sorry I don't have 3 days free to camp and get claim and kill real quick over a couple hours. It's not hard, at all. He's level 70.


The only thing that holds summoner back in comparison to anyone other than rdm is time. Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

[Nirokun!]

-is in a zone where there is no place to kite
-has domain, creating hate on recast/draw-in

And both of these have situational workarounds as well.

Ok, -I've- never killed anything where theres no place to kite, or has domain so i can't move it around

However, if you'd be so kind as to enlighten me, I'm always willing to learn After I leveled blm (and having done a lot of soloing on smn already) I learned that I could solo on blm, then warp home right after, and not even use a scroll! I was pretty much sold on that warp thing right there Yeah, I'm that lazy (but i'll never forget the time spent soloing 57-75, that was amazing [all the anime i watched while waiting for the summoning magic sound to look back at ffxi, that was amazing too ])

[Plow]

[quote=Nirokun!]

-is in a zone where there is no place to kite
-has domain, creating hate on recast/draw-in

And both of these have situational workarounds as well.

Ok, -I've- never killed anything where theres no place to kite, or has domain so i can't move it around

However, if you'd be so kind as to enlighten me, I'm always willing to learn After I leveled blm (and having done a lot of soloing on smn already) I learned that I could solo on blm, then warp home right after, and not even use a scroll! I was pretty much sold on that warp thing right there Yeah, I'm that lazy (but i'll never forget the time spent soloing 57-75, that was amazing [all the anime i watched while waiting for the summoning magic sound to look back at ffxi, that was amazing too ])[/quote:rsflry11]

Basically, you use taking damage and/or having shadows removed in combination with cheap blood pacts to level out your hate to safe levels, making it basically just take enough room that you don't lose 3 shadows before you're done summoning.


Sozu R is good practice.