Best Solo Job

[Thorny]

The only thing that holds summoner back in comparison to anyone other than rdm is time. Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

What's to stop charby doing 2 6 hit rounds, killing carb, then having next carb whiff first hit so it goes straight to you? In the amount of time any real solo takes on smn, you have a ridiculous amount of chance to die to stupid things like that.. name something SMN can solo that a well geared NIN/DNC can't solo faster and equally safely.

[Kkel]

The only thing that holds summoner back in comparison to anyone other than rdm is time. Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

What's to stop charby doing 2 6 hit rounds, killing carb, then having next carb whiff first hit so it goes straight to you? In the amount of time any real solo takes on smn, you have a ridiculous amount of chance to die to stupid things like that.. name something SMN can solo that a well geared NIN/DNC can't solo faster and equally safely.

I've seen a SMN kill an Aura Pot in 2 Mountain Busters. The whole fight took maybe 60 seconds with pretty much 0 risk to the SMN. Yeah, Aura Pots are pretty much "lol", but for a T to 75 mob, that's a pretty quick kill.

Granted, in the long run a SMN will have to stop to rest MP, but with Elemental Siphon now that time is reduced and the SMN is almost never in danger of eating a freak -aga or Spinning Attack/Mysterious Light taking down shadows.

That all said, NIN/DNC is a pretty amazing solo job.

[LinktheDeme]

I am curious on how NIN can solo Fenrir please explain ;3

[Plow]

The only thing that holds summoner back in comparison to anyone other than rdm is time. Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

What's to stop charby doing 2 6 hit rounds, killing carb, then having next carb whiff first hit so it goes straight to you?

Knowing smn threat mechanics and keeping it so that even if next summon whiffs he still doesn't come for me.

In the amount of time any real solo takes on smn, you have a ridiculous amount of chance to die to stupid things like that.. name something SMN can solo that a well geared NIN/DNC can't solo faster and equally safely.

Already did, Biast. Other examples would be mobs like hydras, or even bones. The only advantage nin/dnc really has is rate of continued killing for limbus. Anything else I can do solo as nin/dnc I can do as smn.

The only thing that holds summoner back in comparison to anyone other than rdm is time. Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

What's to stop charby doing 2 6 hit rounds, killing carb, then having next carb whiff first hit so it goes straight to you? In the amount of time any real solo takes on smn, you have a ridiculous amount of chance to die to stupid things like that.. name something SMN can solo that a well geared NIN/DNC can't solo faster and equally safely.

I've seen a SMN kill an Aura Pot in 2 Mountain Busters. The whole fight took maybe 60 seconds with pretty much 0 risk to the SMN. Yeah, Aura Pots are pretty much "lol", but for a T to 75 mob, that's a pretty quick kill.

Granted, in the long run a SMN will have to stop to rest MP, but with Elemental Siphon now that time is reduced and the SMN is almost never in danger of eating a freak -aga or Spinning Attack/Mysterious Light taking down shadows.

That all said, NIN/DNC is a pretty amazing solo job.

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I was only talking about really hard stuff though, I hope people are aware in general of what smn do to "easy" stuff.

[Thorny]

Already did, Biast. Other examples would be mobs like hydras, or even bones. The only advantage nin/dnc really has is rate of continued killing for limbus. Anything else I can do solo as nin/dnc I can do as smn.

NIN/DNC can solo biast very easily, there is no threat at all. If you're arguing SMN can kill it faster, it's not very much if any.

Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

Ancient Goobbue, Voluptuous Vivian, Fenrir, Ash Dragon(with adds cleared of course)

I am curious on how NIN can solo Fenrir please explain ;3

Decent ninjutsu swap + merits to make sure your hojo sticks, full eva kit, preferably windsday for the crummy garuda ring.. his accuracy is pretty trashy if your eva kit is at all respectable. This isn't the type of fight everyone will go in and be able to win, but it's not unreasonable either.. it was even done by a NIN/THF before DNC existed(video on stage6 somewhere).

[Plow]

Already did, Biast. Other examples would be mobs like hydras, or even bones. The only advantage nin/dnc really has is rate of continued killing for limbus. Anything else I can do solo as nin/dnc I can do as smn.

NIN/DNC can solo biast very easily, there is no threat at all. If you're arguing SMN can kill it faster, it's not very much if any.

There's no threat from a mob with multiple ways to instantly remove shadows, one of which paralyzes, and any single hit can be gg from?

[quote:1ah6ww2b]Seriously, name something someone other than rdm can solo that a summoner can't.

Ancient Goobbue, Voluptuous Vivian, Fenrir, Ash Dragon(with adds cleared of course)[/quote:1ah6ww2b]

I think Fenrir has been done, smn can do goob without add clearing, ash dragon not sure about. edit, vv needs add clearing

[Thorny]

There's no threat from a mob with multiple ways to instantly remove shadows, one of which paralyzes, and any single hit can be gg from?

It hits for low 100s on NIN, with under 20% hitrate. If you're getting hit, you're doing it wrong. If body slam gets off, you hit waltz macro then whichever utsu macro, it's not a strong enough paralyze to get both.. but it shouldn't get off in the first place because his hitrate is utterly terrible. Provided you somehow manage to screw up enough to get paralyzed and terrored, biast has the standard 4 second mob delay + hojo. Assuming you're a loltaru nin with only 1100 or so hp, at 20% hitrate and 50% DA(being generous since either way it's clear you shouldn't die) and 120 damage a hit, it would average ~36 damage per 4 second attack round or a whopping 90+ seconds to kill you. As soon as you're unterrored, you have instant cures.. and the vast majority of the fight you'll be taking little to no damage so you can save tp.

Petro Eyes would be annoying if you're lazy, but if you turn as the swing animation starts it'll count as facing away for it and not petrify you.. you only have to do this after he has 100 tp and if you're decent at timing it you lose no noticable amount of DoT.

I think Fenrir has been done, smn can do goob without add clearing, ash dragon not sure about. edit, vv needs add clearing

Proof of any of these, please. Charybdis is obnoxious to envision, but I'll admit it's very feasible especially if you pull it upstairs(given, ungodly long fight which is why I have my doubts as to it having been done before).

Fenrir isn't feasible IMO, too much hp, hits too hard, etc.. poidh.

Vivian never leaves her room, double attacks frequently, has below standard delay, and draws in. Even with someone clearing adds(which NIN doesn't need btw), how would you kill it on summoner? How would you deal with 2hr on a job that can't do actions on themselves at risk of gaining hate?

Ancient goobbue nearly always has 100 fists on, draws in above X distance at nearly random intervals, hits for 200+.. how does SMN go about never getting drawn in while casting avatar? I've heard his draw-in only works if you're within a certain distance as well though, so I'll conceed that this may be possible IF that is true.

[Plow]

There's no threat from a mob with multiple ways to instantly remove shadows, one of which paralyzes, and any single hit can be gg from?

It hits for low 100s on NIN, with under 20% hitrate. If you're getting hit, you're doing it wrong. If body slam gets off, you hit waltz macro then whichever utsu macro, it's not a strong enough paralyze to get both.. but it shouldn't get off in the first place because his hitrate is utterly terrible. Provided you somehow manage to screw up enough to get paralyzed and terrored, biast has the standard 4 second mob delay + hojo. Assuming you're a loltaru nin with only 1100 or so hp, at 20% hitrate and 50% DA(being generous since either way it's clear you shouldn't die) and 120 damage a hit, it would average ~36 damage per 4 second attack round or a whopping 90+ seconds to kill you. As soon as you're unterrored, you have instant cures.. and the vast majority of the fight you'll be taking little to no damage so you can save tp.

Petro Eyes would be annoying if you're lazy, but if you turn as the swing animation starts it'll count as facing away for it and not petrify you.. you only have to do this after he has 100 tp and if you're decent at timing it you lose no noticable amount of DoT.

You seem to be forgetting constant intimidates, and the fact that he can terror for an insane amount of time, and the fact that his paralyze is quite strong. I'm not saying it's not possible, but to say there's no danger is quite a stretch.

[quote:42xrofr4]I think Fenrir has been done, smn can do goob without add clearing, ash dragon not sure about. edit, vv needs add clearing

Proof of any of these, please. Charybdis is obnoxious to envision, but I'll admit it's very feasible especially if you pull it upstairs(given, ungodly long fight which is why I have my doubts as to it having been done before).

Fenrir isn't feasible IMO, too much hp, hits too hard, etc.. poidh.

Vivian never leaves her room, double attacks frequently, has below standard delay, and draws in. Even with someone clearing adds(which NIN doesn't need btw), how would you kill it on summoner? How would you deal with 2hr on a job that can't do actions on themselves at risk of gaining hate?

Ancient goobbue nearly always has 100 fists on, draws in above X distance at nearly random intervals, hits for 200+.. how does SMN go about never getting drawn in while casting avatar? I've heard his draw-in only works if you're within a certain distance as well though, so I'll conceed that this may be possible IF that is true.[/quote:42xrofr4]

The only worry about fenrir is time, and intelligent use of astral flow (not the pacts) can speed up the last half significantly.

Vivian is essentially impossible due to the fact that she'll go yellow (i.e. get stolen), but the fact that she doesn't follow makes outranging draw-in a joke.

Goob is same basic principal, but you have to get back to the spiders, and you're probably going to get caught up at some point, so you need movement speed and luck with hundred fists timing.

Also, who soloed goob on nin?

[Thorny]

You seem to be forgetting constant intimidates, and the fact that he can terror for an insane amount of time, and the fact that his paralyze is quite strong. I'm not saying it's not possible, but to say there's no danger is quite a stretch.

Intimidates only apply to things targetting Biast, meaning not your utsusemi or waltzes <_< I don't see how that changes anything. The paralyze is blinkable, and with a decent eva build the remaining hits of it shouldn't land anyway if you don't have enough shadows. If it does go off, waltz->utsu->waltz spam.. you aren't going to die before you get a single paralyna or utsu cast off. As far as no danger, I would bet my left testicle that I can solo Biast every time given it claimed @ 50%+ hp 0% tp NIN/DNC with my gear on me.

Vivian is essentially impossible due to the fact that she'll go yellow (i.e. get stolen), but the fact that she doesn't follow makes outranging draw-in a joke.

Vivian's draw-in has a max range? I've been drawn in from at least 80' away, all the way at aery zone, after sweet breath hate reset.

The only worry about fenrir is time, and intelligent use of astral flow (not the pacts) can speed up the last half significantly.

I'd still like to see this.

Goob is same basic principal, but you have to get back to the spiders, and you're probably going to get caught up at some point, so you need movement speed and luck with hundred fists timing.

Admittedly, NIN needs a bit of luck as well. You can skew the probability in your favor with a perfect eva build and attempt to kite during hundred fists, but I've still died to it before because it just wouldn't miss. The fight will drag into daytime because of the shitty damage output while kiting, so you have to actually tank a few of the hundred fists.

Also, who soloed goob on nin?

I have, with a underleveled npc and a few cheap meds(no vile+1 etc, remedies and echos) before /dnc existed.. Sath has come close(refer to earlier in thread) without a NPC or any meds(i think? he didnt mention meds, i know it was without npc).

[BerenTebogo]

Correct, no meds or npc, just me and a whole lot of kiting.

[Dreampainter]

FFS!


Best job solo exp: DRG/mage (although a lot of blu have success soloing at all levels there is still downtime)

Best job NM+ or HNM solo: RDM (this job is just built for war of attrition type battles that involve you sitting at your computer for hours)


I've leveled all 4 jobs with pets and leveled sch. I can say hands down that drg wins for easy solo and minimal downtime consistantly from levels 1-75. I was disappointed with the bst exp solo rate, but where it differs from drg is the fact that it can solo NM's that drg can't because of certain tricks the NM may have up its sleave. After soloing IT's and chaining them as drg at 75, I will never bother soloing an IT on any other job again. Perfect combination of endurance and kill speed for soloing EP-IT, and best of all no downtime. Pup was also able to solo very well all the way up to about 65, but drg overall had the same endurance with better kill speed.

oh, and God help you if you chose rdm nin drk, etc as a job to solo exp on.


Smn isnt a bad solo job. It was the first job I leveled and there are plenty of things that I was able to solo as smn just because if you got near them you might as well be dead. I did a lot of levels as smn in ifrit's cauldron on volcanic gasses and bombs, and biast was easy to solo as well. Pots in sky have been mentioned mostly because of the unfriendly magic aggro there and the spells they cast. Smn used to be higher ranking on the solo ladded, but as the same old jobs have gotten the most benefit from each update, other jobs have become slightly better at soloing while smn soloing hasn't improved much as a result of job updates (elemental siphon is the only solo helper that comes to mind.

[Plow]

You seem to be forgetting constant intimidates, and the fact that he can terror for an insane amount of time, and the fact that his paralyze is quite strong. I'm not saying it's not possible, but to say there's no danger is quite a stretch.

Intimidates only apply to things targetting Biast, meaning not your utsusemi or waltzes <_< I don't see how that changes anything. The paralyze is blinkable, and with a decent eva build the remaining hits of it shouldn't land anyway if you don't have enough shadows. If it does go off, waltz->utsu->waltz spam.. you aren't going to die before you get a single paralyna or utsu cast off. As far as no danger, I would bet my left testicle that I can solo Biast every time given it claimed @ 50%+ hp 0% tp NIN/DNC with my gear on me.

The intimidates = extremely slow TP gain, pretty much the worst possible situation for /dnc. Like I said, it's reasonable to do, but it's slow and there are a *lot* of things that can happen if he doesn't just sit there and wiff 50 times in a row and your tp is limited severely by the fact that you can't swing at him.

[quote:yepey66y]Vivian is essentially impossible due to the fact that she'll go yellow (i.e. get stolen), but the fact that she doesn't follow makes outranging draw-in a joke.

Vivian's draw-in has a max range? I've been drawn in from at least 80' away, all the way at aery zone, after sweet breath hate reset.[/quote:yepey66y]

I was under the impression that VV has the same draw in limitation as every mob in the game other than KB, 50'. If that's wrong, ok, she's pretty much impossible.

[quote:yepey66y]The only worry about fenrir is time, and intelligent use of astral flow (not the pacts) can speed up the last half significantly.

I'd still like to see this.[/quote:yepey66y]

This one I might go mess with, he takes approximately 14 sucessfull blood pacts to go down, if you can work him to ~40% in the first 20 minutes or so it should be plenty doable. Like I said, I'm not certain on fenrir, but I'm pretty sure I've heard of it being done.

[quote:yepey66y]Goob is same basic principal, but you have to get back to the spiders, and you're probably going to get caught up at some point, so you need movement speed and luck with hundred fists timing.

Admittedly, NIN needs a bit of luck as well. You can skew the probability in your favor with a perfect eva build and attempt to kite during hundred fists, but I've still died to it before because it just wouldn't miss. The fight will drag into daytime because of the shitty damage output while kiting, so you have to actually tank a few of the hundred fists.

Also, who soloed goob on nin?

I have, with a underleveled npc and a few cheap meds(no vile+1 etc, remedies and echos) before /dnc existed.. Sath has come close(refer to earlier in thread) without a NPC or any meds(i think? he didnt mention meds, i know it was without npc).[/quote:yepey66y]

One person claiming to have done it with npc, and one of the best nin's out there period, both gear and skillwise, coming close but being unable to do it =/= something nin can solo.



In response to the exp thing, smn with bad luck on bomb explosions is probably 4th best solo exp (behind mnk and blu on imps, drg/mage on whatever, and blm), with good luck on explosions it can easily be among the best, even at 75 if you get good luck on mob level and explosion rate urange bombs can easily create chain 4-5 of 200-300 base exp per kill before chains and exp bonuses.


Also, if Avesta had stuck with SMN instead of switching 3 and a half years ago to RDM, I doubt we'd be having this discussion ;p

[BerenTebogo]

You seem to be forgetting constant intimidates, and the fact that he can terror for an insane amount of time, and the fact that his paralyze is quite strong. I'm not saying it's not possible, but to say there's no danger is quite a stretch.

Intimidates only apply to things targetting Biast, meaning not your utsusemi or waltzes <_< I don't see how that changes anything. The paralyze is blinkable, and with a decent eva build the remaining hits of it shouldn't land anyway if you don't have enough shadows. If it does go off, waltz->utsu->waltz spam.. you aren't going to die before you get a single paralyna or utsu cast off. As far as no danger, I would bet my left testicle that I can solo Biast every time given it claimed @ 50%+ hp 0% tp NIN/DNC with my gear on me.

The intimidates = extremely slow TP gain, pretty much the worst possible situation for /dnc. Like I said, it's reasonable to do, but it's slow and there are a *lot* of things that can happen if he doesn't just sit there and wiff 50 times in a row and your tp is limited severely by the fact that you can't swing at him.

[quote:3mlku5j7][quote:3mlku5j7]Vivian is essentially impossible due to the fact that she'll go yellow (i.e. get stolen), but the fact that she doesn't follow makes outranging draw-in a joke.

Vivian's draw-in has a max range? I've been drawn in from at least 80' away, all the way at aery zone, after sweet breath hate reset.[/quote:3mlku5j7]

I was under the impression that VV has the same draw in limitation as every mob in the game other than KB, 50'. If that's wrong, ok, she's pretty much impossible.

[quote:3mlku5j7]The only worry about fenrir is time, and intelligent use of astral flow (not the pacts) can speed up the last half significantly.

I'd still like to see this.[/quote:3mlku5j7]

This one I might go mess with, he takes approximately 14 sucessfull blood pacts to go down, if you can work him to ~40% in the first 20 minutes or so it should be plenty doable. Like I said, I'm not certain on fenrir, but I'm pretty sure I've heard of it being done.

[quote:3mlku5j7]Goob is same basic principal, but you have to get back to the spiders, and you're probably going to get caught up at some point, so you need movement speed and luck with hundred fists timing.

Admittedly, NIN needs a bit of luck as well. You can skew the probability in your favor with a perfect eva build and attempt to kite during hundred fists, but I've still died to it before because it just wouldn't miss. The fight will drag into daytime because of the shitty damage output while kiting, so you have to actually tank a few of the hundred fists.

Also, who soloed goob on nin?

I have, with a underleveled npc and a few cheap meds(no vile+1 etc, remedies and echos) before /dnc existed.. Sath has come close(refer to earlier in thread) without a NPC or any meds(i think? he didnt mention meds, i know it was without npc).[/quote:3mlku5j7]

One person claiming to have done it with npc, and one of the best nin's out there period, both gear and skillwise, coming close but being unable to do it =/= something nin can solo.



In response to the exp thing, smn with bad luck on bomb explosions is probably 4th best solo exp (behind mnk and blu on imps, drg/mage on whatever, and blm), with good luck on explosions it can easily be among the best, even at 75 if you get good luck on mob level and explosion rate urange bombs can easily create chain 4-5 of 200-300 base exp per kill before chains and exp bonuses.


Also, if Avesta had stuck with SMN instead of switching 3 and a half years ago to RDM, I doubt we'd be having this discussion ;p[/quote:3mlku5j7]

Don't get me wrong, I believe after a large number of tries he solo'd AG, especially with npc haste and shit, it's just to list AG as a NM soloable by NIN is a bit off-base. By that I mean that 99% of your average NIN with a decent EVA set going down there to solo AG is going to end 1 way and 1 way only.

I'm 100% positive I can solo it, I've had to take a break from really pounding at the solo events to make money for my Usukane body, and helping my wife with Morri head, so throwing another 15k XP at AG right now isn't top of my priorities. Even after I do kill it, it's one of those mobs where I'm 100% sure the next day if I go to do it again I may wind up dead, it's hit or miss lol.

And thank you very much for that compliment!

[Plow]

lol you're welcome

I'm not saying he didn't do it, just lol @ npc... Do you realize what a fight like that becomes to a summoner when I can pop 5 healbot sacrifices to the goob lord and run it with /nin? I didn't think we considered npc soloing. There's really not much a kraken drk can't kill in time with heals and haste either.

Might even be possible for a thf to just fight AG head to head with npc too.


Also, Vivian would be in the same category of "sure some freaks can do it but 99.999999% would never even consider trying," but I think those are the people we're talking about ;p

[Thorny]

Don't get me wrong, I believe after a large number of tries he solo'd AG, especially with npc haste and shit, it's just to list AG as a NM soloable by NIN is a bit off-base. By that I mean that 99% of your average NIN with a decent EVA set going down there to solo AG is going to end 1 way and 1 way only.

I'm 100% positive I can solo it, I've had to take a break from really pounding at the solo events to make money for my Usukane body, and helping my wife with Morri head, so throwing another 15k XP at AG right now isn't top of my priorities. Even after I do kill it, it's one of those mobs where I'm 100% sure the next day if I go to do it again I may wind up dead, it's hit or miss lol.

And thank you very much for that compliment!

4 or 5 tries, /shrug. Yea, it's a lot easier with NPC, but I never got to play around solo on NIN after /dnc came out because that char got the banstick. Any hard solo on NIN pre-/dnc existing required either hi-potions or a mob that has 0/few non-blinkable moves basically.. NPC gave you more options. I'm working on gearing this one up to fraps some of those solos, but still missing quite a bit(25 days left for rajas, can't find peiste+1 or r.tekko+1 on AH and someone ahead of me for usu hands, missing all of my AF+1, parry skill blows, no hope torque now, need a day or 2 of meritting too..). As far as listing it, it's doable so I mentioned it. Plenty of people are stupid/stubborn enough to insist SC and ulli aren't NIN soloable either, and those are pretty easy unless SC goes crazy with -gas.

Also, Vivian would be in the same category of "sure some freaks can do it but 99.999999% would never even consider trying," but I think those are the people we're talking about ;p

I'd say 20% of NIN75 could solo vivian /dnc given 10 tries and enough incentive. Every time I fought it before I tried soloing, the mage I was with stayed over 50' away with sneak/invis up to avoid breaths.. meaning I was essentially soloing it with cures after tp moves. I'm not sure if this is the standard, not having watched many other people fight it, but it made it look laughably easy. Subtle blow allows you to get several waltzes worth of tp per vivian tp move.. as long as you have a good enough eva build to not get raped by plain melee it's a joke. Use remedies for bad breath, waltz to remove slow. It doesn't require any uber gear, an AH eva kit and ninjutsu torque/earring/af head will suffice if you have decent merits. As much as people give nin job specific merits shit, merit your subtle blow. It makes a huge difference over time, especially if you tp in gear to compliment it.

[VZX]

Soboro SAM/DNC on anything non-undead and that are not hitting hard like a truck

[didgist]

Correct, no meds or npc, just me and a whole lot of kiting.

Much like we kited Shadows of the mind?

Fucking A, i'm leveling a RDM on Ifrit. Fenrir just isn't as epic anymore.

[Plow]

OK, so we've established 1 that nin can do reasonably that smn probably can't.


In response, I give you bcnm20 bats.

[Thorny]

BC60 celery

[Plow]

smn can do it just fine...