Ixion is Come! (06/06/2008)

[Karbuncle]

Do regular Poroggos typically give titles as well?

I'll make sure to call in the LS alliance next time i see Stray Mary or Skewer Sam up.

I was going to say this

[evilpaul]

Arguments over semantics are retarded.

[Toksyuryel]

That teaser was the very first time they'd ever used the term, and from what I can still it remains the ONLY time they've ever used it. Are the original beastmen kings still HNMs, btw? I'm not up on that.

@Izzy: It is grammatically correct to use an before a vowel SOUND, which will not always be an actual vowel.

[Ramses]

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/675/detail.html

In addition, a new type of high notorious monster (HNM) will be added to the beastman strongholds.

DELIVERED.

Okay, so they do use it. I admit defeat in that regard. I still think you're fucking retarded for calling Sea Horror an HNM though. Hydra is clearly a much higher caliber monster, and while I was wrong in saying that they don't use the acronym, it definitely doesn't change the fact that it WAS a player invention made up by the Japanese playerbase 5 or so years ago.

OMG, I never compared the freakin caliber of hnms. Learn to read, please. You obviously automatically took the term hnm to mean hard at any level. This is where reading what was actually said helps. It is all relative. They have mostly only added level 80+ hnms in the recent past. This is why newer players think the term hnm means only those mobs. If they added a level 30 nm bunny tomorrow that took a party of 70s to kill, it would be a hnm, period.

[zoobernut]

The semantical debating about the definition of HNM here is completely pointless. You guys aren't linguists and your little competition of words doesn't matter. Give it up.

QFT it always seems to happen around page 9 or 10 in these threads a couple people get into a stupid debate about something not really related to the thread.

But by all means if you really want to continue then go ahead at least it is kind of entertaining.

[Kkel]

[quote=ronin sparthos]

Do regular Poroggos typically give titles as well?

I'll make sure to call in the LS alliance next time i see Stray Mary or Skewer Sam up.

I'll be sure to call in the camera crews when you solo Overlord Bakgodek, Tzee Xicu the Manifest, King Arthro, Simurgh, Roc among others as well.[/quote:3ixvmhf8]

I'm not saying they can be, just that some pretty sad mobs fit the description of what's been called "HNM". Skewer Sam certainly fights higher than it's level, and gives a title. It doesn't cast a unique spell, but then again neither does Bloodtear, or Steelfleece, and they were specifically mentioned as "HNMs".

hnmls just means asshole botters. Hnmls certainly has nothing to do with skill. Any bunch of idiots can take down any of the current level 80+ hnms.

I'm pretty sure this just voids all credibility, so the whole thing is pretty much moot.

[Ramses]

[quote=Kkel]

Do regular Poroggos typically give titles as well?

I'll make sure to call in the LS alliance next time i see Stray Mary or Skewer Sam up.

I'll be sure to call in the camera crews when you solo Overlord Bakgodek, Tzee Xicu the Manifest, King Arthro, Simurgh, Roc among others as well.

I'm not saying they can be, just that some pretty sad mobs fit the description of what's been called "HNM". Skewer Sam certainly fights higher than it's level, and gives a title. It doesn't cast a unique spell, but then again neither does Bloodtear, or Steelfleece, and they were specifically mentioned as "HNMs".

hnmls just means asshole botters. Hnmls certainly has nothing to do with skill. Any bunch of idiots can take down any of the current level 80+ hnms.

I'm pretty sure this just voids all credibility, so the whole thing is pretty much moot.[/quote:6o0jo2wm]

Do I seriously have to tell you the definition of sarcasm too?

[Charismatic]

Yes. I want to see if you actually even know.

[Kkel]

Go for it, you seem to really be on a winning streak with definitions today.

[Therin]

Go for it, you seem to really be on a winning streak with definitions today.

That was good.



As for the original set of Beastmen kings, I have some amount of leniency toward people who want to call those HNMs. Personally I think doing so is silly, because their difficulty is equivalent to Serket/Roc/Simurgh in that all of them can be killed by 1-3 skilled players regardless of setup. Also, you're not labeled an HNM LS if you kill Overlord, that's dumb too. By that definition most gilseller groups would be HNM LSes. To answer your question more directly, I wouldn't call them HNMs by any means, but some might, and I can partially understand that.

[evilpaul]

Do I seriously have to tell you the definition of sarcasm too?

If you do will that be stupid and pointless too?

[Toksyuryel]

Guess we just lack skill then lol. Needed like ~10 people for adamantking the other day :izzy: (pretend it's a new smiley code for "Q_Q")

[Therin]

In other news, this update really needs to make the Smart Grenade quest repeatable because I JUST FUCKING THREW MINE.

[Ramses]

In other news, this update really needs to make the Smart Grenade quest repeatable because I JUST FUCKING THREW MINE.

Good luck with that. My gf threw her bibiki seashell back when you could and they haven't made any way to get that back yet so...

[Xno Kappa]

Bubbling Bernie is an HNM, discuss.

[Therin]

In other news, this update really needs to make the Smart Grenade quest repeatable because I JUST FUCKING THREW MINE.

Good luck with that. My gf threw her bibiki seashell back when you could and they haven't made any way to get that back yet so...

I threw that thing away about 15 minutes after I got it when I realized that it was a piece of shit.

[zoobernut]

Bubbly Bernie is the most powerful of all HNM's in the game he is just a laid back crab and chooses to be easy.

[Almalexia]

It's an HNM who drops a r/ex item you can trade for a pact with Ixion.

Fuckin' compromised.

[ronin sparthos]

anyone notice this? I didn't really look through old thread

http://lunariansls.com/gallery/pictures/raiden.jpg

Raiden was an upgraded form of Odin from FF6, from what I read.

Interesting indeed.

[Ramses]

In other news, this update really needs to make the Smart Grenade quest repeatable because I JUST FUCKING THREW MINE.

Good luck with that. My gf threw her bibiki seashell back when you could and they haven't made any way to get that back yet so...

I threw that thing away about 15 minutes after I got it when I realized that it was a piece of shit.

Oh I don't know. It turns up in arms from a really easy fight to a really, really easy fight.