Trial for 19 hour rape and torture case begins

[BerenTebogo]

I agree, sorry I quoted you but rant was at the others, my fault.

The system isn't perfect, but the is that we can err on the side of caution, or we risk far more violence and corruption within the prison system itself, and while yes, if you're in prison I'm 99.9% certain you belong there, but some people are only in for 1-2 years, for something, in the grand scheme of things, relatively minor. Do we want them coming out in 1-2 years gasping for fresh air and a shot at starting life over fresh? Or do we want them coming out as hardened, vicious criminals when they didn't go in that way?

The system isn't perfect, because a perfect system can't exist to everyone, but a fair and balanced system within a society that says 'we will not resort to the level of criminals to punish criminals'

The blunt fact of the matter is, if we're going to talk wasted tax expenditure, I can think of many things off the top of my head more flagrantly offensive than the federal prison system.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I don't know where I said anything about changing the bill of rights, or anything related to the courts. All I'm saying is we spend somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-60k a year per inmate keeping them locked up, safe, and healthy. If I'm not mistaken, that's quite a bit more than hard-working, law-abiding citizens living off minimum wage make yearly. If that doesn't seem a little fucking backwards to anyone else besides me, then I'm not sure what to say.

Minimum wage earners don't have to be guarded and don't need security systems to lock them up. Also, do people in jail deserve to die due to the whims of the strongest? It's a different paradigm and a different cost. It's imperfect and fucked up in a lot of ways, but the cost is an unfortunate reality if we want to be humane at all.

[Zilong]

All I'm saying is we spend somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-60k a year per inmate keeping them locked up, safe, and healthy.

Good god, you're telling me the government spend more on an inmate than I spent on myself?

[pohibaba]

I'm one of the most conservative posters on this board and even I agree with Max; a civilized society should be beyond killing its citizens for some idiotic ideal of retribution.

[Demosthenes11]

I like how civilized is always synonymous with non-violent

[terranova]

too much fucking devil's advocate in this thread

in before someone edits my post with "too much logic in this thread" fixed.

he's obviously got the mental defect card to pull during his trial, given how much crazy, twisted shit he did to this poor woman

kill this fool, before he does it again to someone else.

lol I like this poster.

Anyway, afaik, rapetists and child molesters and the like don't have a swell time in prison. They are going in with people who have done bad things but lesser stuff who have wives/kids/family etc and some morals when it comes to women. He's gonna get his surely - they better put him in a cell by his self.


Edit: My grammar fails hard.

[Kuya]

This is why we have a judicial system and don't allow mobs to dispense "justice", because people turn into complete fucking idiots in these sorts of situations.

[Plow]

All you people complaining that the current prison system isn't good enough are speaking from personal experience? Think you can swing a 25-life sentence going 'At least they didn't make me smash rocks!'?

I know for fucks sure I couldn't, and would rather be dead than be in prison, it's not some sunshine lollipop land, you're gonna routinely get the ever living piss beaten out of you, raped, abused, not have enough to eat and oh yeah, you'll still be in prison.

As true as this can be, prison is not OZ. Nor any of the other thousands of movies and tv shows where somebody drops the soap.


When this guy goes to prison he will be heavily protected and most likely permanently separated from the inmates, if not he'd get dhamered the first day.

[Lavik]

lol @ "dhamered"

[Melena]

a bullet costs 2-7 dollars depending on caliber, when pressed to the correct places on the cranium, death is instant and guaranteed with the proper weapon

I thought I read somewhere that China actually bills the family for the cost of the bullet(s) when they execute someone.

[jmc]

I don't really feel like paying to keep this sick fuck alive personally. End his miserable life imo.

You'd pay more to kill him.

Really? It would cost less for 40+ yrs in prison than the injection? I find this hard to believe. brb googling and such.

Edit: You are correct but that's quite retarded. I still don't completely understand the logic. Seems like it be muh cheaper just to off people like this.

Easy way to settle this, shooting squad.

I'm pretty sure you will have no problems finding 5 military personal more than willing to do it too.

*edit*

Fuck, just grab a few officers who stumbled apon the woman he did that too and they will probably have no problem putting a bullet in his head.

[Gregorio]

I don't really feel like paying to keep this sick fuck alive personally. End his miserable life imo.

You'd pay more to kill him.

Really? It would cost less for 40+ yrs in prison than the injection? I find this hard to believe. brb googling and such.

Edit: You are correct but that's quite retarded. I still don't completely understand the logic. Seems like it be muh cheaper just to off people like this.

Easy way to settle this, shooting squad.

I'm pretty sure you will have no problems finding 5 military personal more than willing to do it too.

*edit*

Fuck, just grab a few officers who stumbled apon the woman he did that too and they will probably have no problem putting a bullet in his head.

It's not the injection process itself that costs more. It's the cost to pay the lawyers (prosecution and defense which is usually public defenders), judges, and all the other expenses involved in appealing a trial multiple times and keeping it in the justice system for 10 years.

[jmc]

I don't really feel like paying to keep this sick fuck alive personally. End his miserable life imo.

You'd pay more to kill him.

Really? It would cost less for 40+ yrs in prison than the injection? I find this hard to believe. brb googling and such.

Edit: You are correct but that's quite retarded. I still don't completely understand the logic. Seems like it be muh cheaper just to off people like this.

Easy way to settle this, shooting squad.

I'm pretty sure you will have no problems finding 5 military personal more than willing to do it too.

*edit*

Fuck, just grab a few officers who stumbled apon the woman he did that too and they will probably have no problem putting a bullet in his head.

It's not the injection process itself that costs more. It's the cost to pay the lawyers (prosecution and defense which is usually public defenders), judges, and all the other expenses involved in appealing a trial multiple times and keeping it in the justice system for 10 years.

Sometimes, I wish it would be like Judge Dredd. Oh well

Boston had a murder like that 2 years ago thats going to trial at the end of the month. Guy spent 20 years, for assisting in a murder. Guy gets out of jail, and Kidnaps/tortures/Rapes/Kills 2 of his uncles over the period of a week......and got arrested while hunting down other family members.

[BRP]

Justice system isn't meant to be your personal revenge system. Come on now, everyone should understand this...

[ertyu]

I love people, really I do.

I'm one of the most conservative posters on this board and even I agree with Max; a civilized society should be beyond killing its citizens for some idiotic ideal of retribution.

I'm so tired of people calling for people's blood. It's barbaric.

This is why we have a judicial system and don't allow mobs to dispense "justice", because people turn into complete fucking idiots in these sorts of situations.

I am 99.9% sure that if your wife/girlfriend/sister/mom was the victim in this case, you would be saying the same thing.

[Kuya]

I love people, really I do.

I'm one of the most conservative posters on this board and even I agree with Max; a civilized society should be beyond killing its citizens for some idiotic ideal of retribution.

[quote:4mgu5spy]I'm so tired of people calling for people's blood. It's barbaric.

This is why we have a judicial system and don't allow mobs to dispense "justice", because people turn into complete fucking idiots in these sorts of situations.

I am 99.9% sure that if your wife/girlfriend/sister/mom was the victim in this case, you would be saying the same thing.[/quote:4mgu5spy]
Want to know why i would say the same thing? Because in that case instead of thinking clearly, i would be thinking IRRATIONALY AND EMOTIONALY.

It's cute how you thought you made some sort of counter argument. Next time i need someone to make important decisions for me, i'm going to ask someone in a state of emotional catastrophy.

[Tyche]

I'd think through the tone and the substance of his post, that part was either sarcasm or a typo.

And yeah, dude deserves to die.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So in this thread I am agreeing with Kuya, BRP, and pohibaba.

Fack.

[ertyu]

I see your points and no, I don't think that the guy should just be offed with no questions asked. The judicial system needs to take its course because everyone is entitled to a fair trial. But I mean in the end the guy really needs to die... look at what he did? That's completely barbaric and gross beyond comprehension. The punishment he deserves for doing what he did, death can't even dispense.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I see your points and no, I don't think that the guy should just be offed with no questions asked. The judicial system needs to take its course because everyone is entitled to a fair trial. But I mean in the end the guy really needs to die... look at what he did? That's completely barbaric and gross beyond comprehension.

The question we should be asking is what purpose does killing him have?